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	<description>Vigilance, Perseverance, Justice</description>
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		<title>By: Timbuk3</title>
		<link>http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/?p=7612&#038;cpage=1#comment-9830</link>
		<dc:creator>Timbuk3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kagan is far more likely to vote in ways that benefit the middle class than Alito, Scalia, Thomas, or Roberts, and probably Kennedy.

So I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re asking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kagan is far more likely to vote in ways that benefit the middle class than Alito, Scalia, Thomas, or Roberts, and probably Kennedy.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re asking.</p>
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		<title>By: iconoclast_555</title>
		<link>http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/?p=7612&#038;cpage=1#comment-9818</link>
		<dc:creator>iconoclast_555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So, we need a succession of liberal/progressive, or at least Democratic, POTUS for the rest of my life to set things right.&quot;

Kagan hasn&#039;t exactly been a becon of even centrism, has she?

Just asking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, we need a succession of liberal/progressive, or at least Democratic, POTUS for the rest of my life to set things right.&#8221;</p>
<p>Kagan hasn&#8217;t exactly been a becon of even centrism, has she?</p>
<p>Just asking.</p>
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		<title>By: iconoclast_555</title>
		<link>http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/?p=7612&#038;cpage=1#comment-9817</link>
		<dc:creator>iconoclast_555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If Alvarez wasn’t so determined to try to use as many opportunities as possible to find evil and make it Obama’s fault — he might have made a point.&quot;

Forget about your interpretation of previous stances. If I have a point, I have one.

Our executive now has the power to kill an American citizen without due course - and without having to show probable cause.

The current potus might be expected to show restraint and not to abuse this abuse. But future potus&#039;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Alvarez wasn’t so determined to try to use as many opportunities as possible to find evil and make it Obama’s fault — he might have made a point.&#8221;</p>
<p>Forget about your interpretation of previous stances. If I have a point, I have one.</p>
<p>Our executive now has the power to kill an American citizen without due course &#8211; and without having to show probable cause.</p>
<p>The current potus might be expected to show restraint and not to abuse this abuse. But future potus&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: iconoclast_555</title>
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		<dc:creator>iconoclast_555</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 5th&#039;s text is as follows:

&quot;No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation&quot;

Thus your defense of the 4th, and mine of the 5th, are similar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 5th&#8217;s text is as follows:</p>
<p>&#8220;No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation&#8221;</p>
<p>Thus your defense of the 4th, and mine of the 5th, are similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Timbuk3</title>
		<link>http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/?p=7612&#038;cpage=1#comment-9801</link>
		<dc:creator>Timbuk3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;Now I’ve come to understand that abortion is probably way down the list of threats from a right wing court.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Sigh. I get so tired of cleaning up your use of the English language.

(I&#039;m teasing, again. Relax.)

Now I’ve come to understand that abortion is &lt;del&gt;probably&lt;/del&gt; way down the list of threats from a right wing court.

There&#039;s no question about this. I realize you have a good memory, but you may not remember I didn&#039;t oppose Alito because of his stance on abortion. It was because he thinks it&#039;s perfectly OK for cops to finger bang a 12 year old to check her for drugs, and he&#039;s only surpassed in being anti-middle class / pro corp by Roberts.

Right now we have 4 justices who will vote in favor of the police state and &quot;supply side econimics&quot;, AKA corporate rule, EVERY time, and one (Kennedy) who will mostly do that. Since any or all of the other 4 will do that, too, more often than not, we have one of the worst SCOTUS in history.

We don&#039;t make that better by making it worse. If I have to explain that sentence, I&#039;ll go mad.

So, we need a succession of liberal/progressive, or at least Democratic, POTUS for the rest of my life to set things right.

The RW won by thinking long term. We need to do the same. And yes, that means accepting incremental gains over rainbow farting unicrorns that don&#039;t exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Now I’ve come to understand that abortion is probably way down the list of threats from a right wing court.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Sigh. I get so tired of cleaning up your use of the English language.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m teasing, again. Relax.)</p>
<p>Now I’ve come to understand that abortion is <del>probably</del> way down the list of threats from a right wing court.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no question about this. I realize you have a good memory, but you may not remember I didn&#8217;t oppose Alito because of his stance on abortion. It was because he thinks it&#8217;s perfectly OK for cops to finger bang a 12 year old to check her for drugs, and he&#8217;s only surpassed in being anti-middle class / pro corp by Roberts.</p>
<p>Right now we have 4 justices who will vote in favor of the police state and &#8220;supply side econimics&#8221;, AKA corporate rule, EVERY time, and one (Kennedy) who will mostly do that. Since any or all of the other 4 will do that, too, more often than not, we have one of the worst SCOTUS in history.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t make that better by making it worse. If I have to explain that sentence, I&#8217;ll go mad.</p>
<p>So, we need a succession of liberal/progressive, or at least Democratic, POTUS for the rest of my life to set things right.</p>
<p>The RW won by thinking long term. We need to do the same. And yes, that means accepting incremental gains over rainbow farting unicrorns that don&#8217;t exist.</p>
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		<title>By: Timbuk3</title>
		<link>http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/?p=7612&#038;cpage=1#comment-9800</link>
		<dc:creator>Timbuk3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;I’m sure you had some idea what I meant.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Absolutely crystal clear. I&#039;m honored and humbled that you remembered. I was just teasing an old friend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;I’m sure you had some idea what I meant.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Absolutely crystal clear. I&#8217;m honored and humbled that you remembered. I was just teasing an old friend.</p>
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		<title>By: pnh</title>
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		<dc:creator>pnh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 03:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Probably before then.&lt;/i&gt;

LOL

Yeah.  Considering how strongly you seemed to believe it -- it&#039;s a safe bet that when I met you that wasn&#039;t a brand new idea.  

I&#039;m sure you had some idea what I meant.  That the strongest memory I have about you from my early days on Yahoo --  so -- I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if when i first met you -- that&#039;s what you were talking about.  I don&#039;t know when you started posting about that -- but it&#039;s likely that me reading those posts &quot;started&quot; as soon as I ran into you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Probably before then.</i></p>
<p>LOL</p>
<p>Yeah.  Considering how strongly you seemed to believe it &#8212; it&#8217;s a safe bet that when I met you that wasn&#8217;t a brand new idea.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you had some idea what I meant.  That the strongest memory I have about you from my early days on Yahoo &#8212;  so &#8212; I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if when i first met you &#8212; that&#8217;s what you were talking about.  I don&#8217;t know when you started posting about that &#8212; but it&#8217;s likely that me reading those posts &#8220;started&#8221; as soon as I ran into you.</p>
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		<title>By: Timbuk3</title>
		<link>http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/?p=7612&#038;cpage=1#comment-9797</link>
		<dc:creator>Timbuk3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;As Tim has been saying — probably starting the first day I met him&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Probably before then. :-)

&lt;em&gt;&quot;it’s about the supreme court.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

THANK you!

A POTUS serves, at most, 8 years. Senators 6, Reps 2. Of course they can be re-elected many times, but they have to win, which means they can&#039;t piss too many people off.

SCOTUS justices are appointed for life, and are pretty much unaccountable to anyone once they&#039;re confirmed. That&#039;s as it should be; we want them to be independent, but it&#039;s also scary as hell when you get judges like Scalia, or even worse Alito, who could outlive *me*. We could easily have 5 different POTUS, maybe more, before the disaster that is Alito leaves the court.

&lt;em&gt;&quot;A president is only an administrator — somebody essentially hired to do a job with duties laid out by the constitution and laws passed by congress — with the supreme court being the authority on how those things are to be interpreted.

Even with &lt;del&gt;a Democratic&lt;/del&gt; &lt;strong&gt;the most liberal/progressive imaginable&lt;/strong&gt; president and congress — as long as the supreme court is packed with right wing ideologues — right wingers have the potential to challenge and tear down any good they would do — anyway.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Agreed, as long as you&#039;ll let me make the one change in bold.

The SCOTUS has the last word. That matters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;As Tim has been saying — probably starting the first day I met him&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Probably before then. <img src='http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><em>&#8220;it’s about the supreme court.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>THANK you!</p>
<p>A POTUS serves, at most, 8 years. Senators 6, Reps 2. Of course they can be re-elected many times, but they have to win, which means they can&#8217;t piss too many people off.</p>
<p>SCOTUS justices are appointed for life, and are pretty much unaccountable to anyone once they&#8217;re confirmed. That&#8217;s as it should be; we want them to be independent, but it&#8217;s also scary as hell when you get judges like Scalia, or even worse Alito, who could outlive *me*. We could easily have 5 different POTUS, maybe more, before the disaster that is Alito leaves the court.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;A president is only an administrator — somebody essentially hired to do a job with duties laid out by the constitution and laws passed by congress — with the supreme court being the authority on how those things are to be interpreted.</p>
<p>Even with <del>a Democratic</del> <strong>the most liberal/progressive imaginable</strong> president and congress — as long as the supreme court is packed with right wing ideologues — right wingers have the potential to challenge and tear down any good they would do — anyway.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Agreed, as long as you&#8217;ll let me make the one change in bold.</p>
<p>The SCOTUS has the last word. That matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Timbuk3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timbuk3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;What the hell what would you do if we had an actual rwinger hereabouts&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Rip &#039;em a new one. :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;What the hell what would you do if we had an actual rwinger hereabouts&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Rip &#8216;em a new one. <img src='http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Timbuk3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timbuk3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Feb 2012 22:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;&quot;You might be next.&lt;/em&gt;

Only if I become a traitor and declare war on the US. Not likely, given that I&#039;ve taken an oath to defend the constitution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;You might be next.</em></p>
<p>Only if I become a traitor and declare war on the US. Not likely, given that I&#8217;ve taken an oath to defend the constitution.</p>
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