Arizona Freaks Up the Ante

Steven Anderson, the Arizona pastor who says he’s praying for President Obama’s death has now thrown in some helpful specificity. He wants him to get brain cancer like Sen. Kennedy. Also of note, Chris Broughton, Anderson’s parishioner, who brought the assault rifle to the Obama event a few weeks ago now says he’s praying for Obama’s death too and is now hedging on whether he’s suggesting that someone take matters into their own hands and end the president’s life.

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Still think we should be trying for “bipartisanship”?

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  1. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    I didn’t realize that Biden was so popular amongst the fundie crowd!

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      He’s white.

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  2. pnh’s avatar

    Still think we should be trying for “bipartisanship”?

    Yep. The active left isn’t big enough to do anything alone. We have to include some folks closer to and in the middle.

    I’m repeating myself — but Obama once said there are some folks whose votes he absolutely does not want. Keep in mind that for some of us — these shocking displays aren’t shocking at all — they’re life in the US as we’ve always known it — and the possibility of unity with such folks has NEVER been the source of our hope. Our hope has always rested in the potential to appeal to people of conscience who actively and genuinely strive to be better people.

    When we cast that net right — if we happen to catch a rabid rightwinger then “praise Jesus and glory hallelujah” — but that’s not who we’re after.

    After all — once upon a time and many ages ago you called yourself a “fiscal conservative.” You may — as most of us do — not believe in wasteful spending and want to be as efficient as possible — but I doubt you care to be associated with the economic rightwing — the fiscal conservatives. You weren’t the first person to shift and you won’t be the last. When we cast that net right — it’s because of the potential for other folks to shift.

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      Is someone who can’t tell the difference between praying for the President to get brain cancer and die and someone who wants health care to be affordable for all Americans too stupid to vote?

      Seriously, I agree that there’s no chance for “unity” with “such folks”, but why does the squishy middle get a pass for not being able to tell the difference? We shouldn’t strong to “win them over”. They should be running toward us as if their very lives depended on getting away from them. Because it does.

      BTW, I’m still “fiscally conservative”. Cut military spending, then cut taxes. I’m all for it.

      I’ve just never had a chance to vote for a fiscal conservative. As a matter of fact, I couldn’t name one in congress, either. Maybe Ron Paul.

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  3. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    “We shouldn’t strong to “win them over”. ”

    That’s the key, isn’t it?

    How did the rw “take over” American political discourse? By coddling the putative “center”? No, by taking a stand, no matter how mindless, how mercenary or how detrimental to the interests of those being manipulated.

    Because there is no doubt in my mind that if the US has moved to the right, it’s been through the $ billion/year echo chamber that’s hired the best and brightest Madison Ave, memeoticians, etc., that money can buy.

    Even Truman, a paleo-neocon that he was, a man I don’t admire one bit, was quick to point out who the enemy was and what it was doing. His rhetoric today would be considered over-the-top class-warfare stuff – and it was.

    Rightfully so, IMO. There IS a class war going on, or at least there should be. And if a party wants progress, it has to divorce itself from corporate interests and IDENTIFY, POINT OUT and ACCUSE the enemy at every turn. NOT try to convince people who have been indoctrinated through the niceties of nuanced arguments. The enemy has painted a black and white picture (in every sense of the term), pushes it to the hilt, walks lockstep through the buzzwords – and will win against anything but a strong and opposing force.

    Tell it like it is, for once. Tell the electorate that monied interests are perverting political discourse, that they do so to the detriment of the citizenship. SHOW them how they’re being lead by the nose, make them MAD at the monster – don’t try to coddle both the monster and the electorate. Lose an election or two if necessary – but cut the horseshit already.

    My stance on Obama is abundantly clear. He’s sold an image which, it appears, he’s not willing or capable of standing up to. He’s sold hope – yet negotiates with the enemy at every turn, apparently from a predisposed position of weakness. We’ve extraploted our own wishes and hopes on his nebulous message – and unless he pulls a rabbit out of his hat pretty soon, we’ll have lost a unique opportunity.

    Given Obama’s history as a political chameleon of a neoliberal stripe, befitting a U of Chi man, I have little hope and much to fear. I HOPE I’m wrong, but I don’t think that I am. I see DLC without the label, corporate whoredom squared, albeit with a different corporate “base”.

    Show some balls for once, if you’re heart’s into it! Or show your true stripes. This middle-of-the-road horseshit doesn’t cut it when the opposition is in lockstep and the “putative center” doesn’t know the difference between its arse and a hole in the ground.

    LEADERSHIP! Hell, even DUBYA could achieve that with HIS base… while Obama abandons his base with insulting disregard.

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      “Tell it like it is, for once.”

      I’d like that.

      “My stance on Obama is abundantly clear.”

      Yup. It also focuses too much blame on one man while ignoring:

      -abuse of the media since the end of the fairness doctrine (money talks)
      -abuse of our children through Texas textbook purchasing power (money talks)
      -political office sold to the highest bidder (typically corps and insurance companies, money talks)
      -massive fear-mongering to support a yearly increase in MIC spending (money talks)

      Ah, hell, lemme just sum it up. The country is now run by the wealthy, by duping of the moronic, to the tune of an ever-increasing gap between the “have’s” and the “have nots”.

      You know that “city on a hill” that Reagan/Bush 1 used to talk about? You can’t go there.

      And the vast squishy “middle” can’t tell the difference?

      All hail capitalism! I hear they’re hiring in India.

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      1. pnh’s avatar

        It might seem like an easy choice to you — but keep in mind some folks don’t lean strongly one way or the other and some folks have reason to be uncomfortable either way. Sometimes — we don’t notice our own offenders and offenses as much as we notice those of our enemies. Think about how much venom some of us spit at folks when they don’t share some of our opinions. So for some folks — even though they might be more inclined to go with many liberal positions — some liberals are extremely abusive toward people who don’t agree perfectly with them. So — it’s evil vs. evil to them — not good vs. evil.

        Do you know that after the prop 8 thing — white glbt rights activists attacked black glbts — verbally and physically — and used a lot of racial slurs! Now — the day before they were reminding black folks all about how they’ve stood up for them — how the gay rights movement is exactly the same as the the black struggle they helped us “win.” We’ve got plenty of hate and disregard on the left — too. We might be more compassionate on the left — might not subscribe to laissez faire — but our economic policies are predominantly rightwing all the same. We treat our blue collar class as people to be pitied and helped rather than people who are every bit as productive and deserving as our white collar class. It’s very much true that many Democrats are elitists — and even supremacists — albeit “compassionate” supremacists. For many of us — the alliance with Democrats is an alliance of convenience — not an alliance in spirit.

        There are Democrats I dislike more than I dislike the rabid right. As long as somebody makes sure their hatred doesn’t get physical — I don’t care if they hate me — but I can’t stand being patronized. I’d love to stomp the hell out of white people who leave behind thousands of children in the foster care system — white and black and other — to go talk some African into letting them adopt their kid. When you’ve got millions and you’re talking about adopting a kid from a country with a very low cost of living — your annual shoe budget could give that kid and his family a better life — without the mother/father having to give up their kid for that kid to have that better life. And for what — to take him/her from their parent(s) and hand him off to a nanny. ( An aside — I was surprised by the audience’s anger over baby OJ in “Bruno” — unless he deliberately aimed for an audience that wouldn’t get it or scripted the anger to make a point within a point. I lmao — the way you rofl at something that’s funny to make fun of — but not really funny in reality — anyway…)

        Personal finances and issues that pertain to personal comfort aren’t a priority for everybody. As you may recall — I’ve always said foreign policy is my priority issue. That’s why I waver. I support Democrats when I believe they’ll have a positive effect on foreign policy — and absolutely refuse to support those who subscribe to long standing policy. There is no domestic/personal issue I deem worthy of sacrificing foreign policy.

        The middle is filled with a vast variety of people with their own personalities and priorities — their own reasons for being where they are. I’m sure they don’t want to be me anymore than I want to be them. So — I’m content to let them be them — and am content to work toward finding common ground where I can — and I accept that we won’t fiind common ground on everything. Accepting the reality that people are different so we won’t all be in the same “place” seems like a better option to me than spending my life fighting a futile battle to try to convince everybody that everything I believe and want is what everybody else in the world is supposed to believe and want — or worse yet — spending my life depressed and miserable because everybody isn’t me. As far as I know — I’m guaranteed one life — and it’s a minute at a time guarantee. We can spend most of our minutes looking for as many positives and as much happiness as we can find — or we can spend it aiming for as many negatives and as much unhappiness as we can find.

        And here’s the thing that helps me accept that we aren’t all in the same place — the knowledge that I’m probably not the wisest and most righteous person in the world — the knowledge that no matter how far ahead I might think I am — I can’t say I’m at the top. If stupid and evil is all relative to me — then it would have to be relative to everybody else — meaning that relative to some other folks — I’m stupid and evil. If I know that relative to somebody wiser and purer of heart I might be considered stupid and evil — then it’s no consolation to me to go around finding somebody to consider stupid and evil compared to me because it wouldn’t validate me — I’d still be stupid and evil relative to somebody else. I’m neither stupid nor evil — I’m just an imperfect person — just like everybody else. That’s the great sin of people who harm other people — that they believe other people are stupid and evil compared to them and believe it so strongly — they’re willing to kill them for it. They lack even enough holistic vision to see that stupid and evil is in the eye of the beholder therefore legitimizing violence on the basis of differences is granting permission for violence against themselves because difference is a two way street — when somebody is different from you — you are also different from them.

        When we belittle and hate — we validate those things — because we’re saying it’s OK to do those things to people who are different. We can’t be effective advocates for tolerance, acceptance and equality from other people for people they don’t really understand if we’re not living what we preach. We’re not the authorities of whom it’s OK to hate and abuse. If it’s OK for us — it’s OK for them.

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  4. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    Peen – you saw Brüno over there? I just watched it myself, had quite a giggle.

    What rating did it get? How widely distributed is it?

    His humour can be over-the-top, but you have to admit that the fellow has a pair. His outfit in Jerusalem could have easily gotten him killed – and dealing with an actual terrorist has actually gotten him on a hitlist.

    Bruno’s way of making the humorless humorous is unique – and I think, highly effective. I wonder what he will come up with next…

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    1. pnh’s avatar

      I don’t know if it showed “everywhere.” I haven’t seen it. It’s just that between advertising and reports — sometimes you end up seeing enough major clips that you feel like you saw the movie. As far as I know — it got a mediocre reception. Some gay groups protested it because they thought his use of stereotypes was insulting — but that just goes to show you about personalities since it seemed to me that he was obviously mocking stereotypes — not gays. The same thing goes for “baby OJ.” I can’t understand why some people would think he was mocking black folks — but apparently some did — and that’s why I saw that part of the movie via news reports.

      I’ll see it on DVD — eventually. Sometimes I find some things he does rather questionable — but mostly — I’m a fan. Icy — as in the guy who occasionally posts here — “introduced” him to me some years ago via his “Ali G” character. I’ve followed him ever since. (And just in case Icy ever wondered — that I don’t mention people/books/etc doesn’t mean I didn’t actually give them a look and it also doesn’t mean that I didn’t find whatever it was interesting. I’m still tossing ideas around that came from a book you told me about some time ago.)

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