Israeli Blockade Updates

As I said previously, the blockade is about Israel’s displeasure at the democratically elected government of the Gaza Strip:

Israeli document: Gaza blockade isn’t about security

JERUSALEM — As Israel ordered a slight easing of its blockade of the Gaza Strip Wednesday, McClatchy obtained an Israeli government document that describes the blockade not as a security measure but as “economic warfare” against the Islamist group Hamas, which rules the Palestinian territory.

And, it’s only a matter of time before the “unsustainable” blockade comes to an end:

Gaza blockade is unsustainable, Obama tells Israel

US PRESIDENT Barack Obama has urged Israel to loosen its blockade of Gaza, as the United States scrambles to address the outcry over Israel’s deadly raid on a Gaza-bound flotilla.

The call came as Mr Obama met the Palestinian Authority’s President, Mahmoud Abbas, in Washington to discuss proximity talks between Israel and the Palestinians.

Mr Obama said the US would send $US400 million ($A483 million) of aid to the occupied Palestinian territories.

Of course, this is unlikely to make Uzi or Alvy happy…

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  1. pnh’s avatar

    I think we could have ended this fight many yesterdays ago if not for the global ramifications of insisting on justice for Palestinians. The dominant world powers would lose their “legal” cover for continued control or deciding influence in other regions if we were to stand up with a clear message that it’s wrong for Israel to have the kind of control over Palestine that they do.

    After a war — whatever the reason — it’s wrong for the victor to have any authority over the defeated country. A representative international body should be temporarily in charge until a new government is established and the victor should have no say in that country’s reconstruction — should not be able to unilaterally place any restrictions on that country.

    What anybody else has been able to get away with shouldn’t be allowed as justification for Israel — and any international laws that give cover to them should be changed as it’s just as wrong for anybody else to be able to do these things to any other country/people as it is for Israel to be able to do them to Palestine.

    I suspect that Native Americans may have a lot to do with with the United States’ bias. I suspect some people are concerned with what justice for the Palestinians might mean for Indian Reservations. After all — should Indians have to get any state’s permission to open gambling casinos? Should the US be able to overrule Indian authority and mine for resources on Indian lands?

    I think all that stuff about “the only democracy” and “existential threats” are cover for other concerns they don’t dare speak. I suspect that a large part of the reason we are so dismissive of many Palestinian grievances is that they are such a blatant statement against things we have done and to validate them would be a statement that could be used by other people in claims against the US.

    I think reasons like this and similar that would not only apply to the US might be why something that on the surface doesn’t seem all that complicated for the international community to resolve has been going on with no end in clear sight.

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    1. Oralloy’s avatar

      I think we could have ended this fight many yesterdays ago if not for the global ramifications of insisting on justice for Palestinians. The dominant world powers would lose their “legal” cover for continued control or deciding influence in other regions if we were to stand up with a clear message that it’s wrong for Israel to have the kind of control over Palestine that they do.

      All Israel is doing is not letting the Palestinians murder their civilians. The law is very clear on the fact that Israel has every right to do that.

      After a war — whatever the reason — it’s wrong for the victor to have any authority over the defeated country. A representative international body should be temporarily in charge until a new government is established and the victor should have no say in that country’s reconstruction — should not be able to unilaterally place any restrictions on that country.

      The only way that would be accepted would be if there were a way for the international body to deal with the defeated country if they insisted on trying to murder people.

      In other words, the international body would have to be prepared to do the same thing to the Palestinians that the Israelis are doing to them.

      I suspect that Native Americans may have a lot to do with with the United States’ bias. I suspect some people are concerned with what justice for the Palestinians might mean for Indian Reservations. After all — should Indians have to get any state’s permission to open gambling casinos? Should the US be able to overrule Indian authority and mine for resources on Indian lands?

      Actually, the reason for our bias is that we realize that Israel is not to blame and has in fact tried to make peace. It’s the Palestinians who keep trying to murder people.

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  2. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    What was the most “dangerous” of Woodrow Wilson’s 14 points?

    The right of self determination

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  3. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    “Of course, this is unlikely to make Uzi or Alvy happy…”

    That’s the problem when you’re a pragmatic politician, trying to be everything to everybody, justice be damned.

    You can take sides, which is, a priori, wrong – or you can seek justice. I stand for justice.

    Inaction or superficial comments with no bite to them are meaningless, and on par with our usual hypocrisy with regards to foreign affairs and human rights.

    Was Obama’s statement an improvement over Dubya’s policy regarding the conflict? To Dubya’s credit, he was the first potus to table, and accept, the two-country solution. Although his stance on the “roadmap” was patently pro-Israeli, he made a concerted effort. THIS potus, however, seems to be content with mostly empty words, spoken from afar, with no initiative to settle matters.

    Fear of APAC I assume. Hic haec hoc strikes again.

    ———-

    Dubya might have been our worst potus, but he was the king of low expectations. Now we have a potus with high expectations, and a Dubya-level of achievement.

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      “I stand for justice.”

      As near as I can tell you stand for opposition, and little else.

      When your only definition of “success” is “revolution”, and you’ve more than hinted at this, more than once, then you’re shooting for either failure or bloodshed, every time.

      Sorry. I want no part of your “justice”.

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    2. Oralloy’s avatar

      You can take sides, which is, a priori, wrong – or you can seek justice. I stand for justice.

      Shouldn’t someone who stands for justice oppose Italy when they intentionally put an innocent American honors student in prison?

      Was Obama’s statement an improvement over Dubya’s policy regarding the conflict? To Dubya’s credit, he was the first potus to table, and accept, the two-country solution.

      You’re forgetting Clinton.

      Although his stance on the “roadmap” was patently pro-Israeli, he made a concerted effort.

      How was it pro-Israeli? The Roadmap never had a chance due to Palestinian aggression, but as far as I know Bush never abandoned it.

      THIS potus, however, seems to be content with mostly empty words, spoken from afar, with no initiative to settle matters.

      It’s worse than that. Obama made a bunch of belligerent anti-Israeli attacks, and he caved in to Palestinian demands to abandon the Roadmap. Now Israel is not going to listen to anything he has to say, and there is no chance of any movement toward peace until someone else is president.

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  4. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    FWIW, did anyone catch our UN Ambassador’s speech in the UN yesterday regarding the Iranian sanctions?

    The gist of it was that “we cannot stand for impunity”.

    The Muslim world, supposedly the target of Obama’s “hearts and minds” philosophy, reels. I’d wager that they’re thinking “what’s the difference between Obama and Dubya?”

    And they’d be right to make that question, from a subjective POV.

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  5. Timbuk3’s avatar

    Israel to Ease Gaza Land Blockade

    JERUSALEM — Weeks after its commandos killed nine people aboard an aid flotilla trying to breach its blockade of Gaza, Israel on Thursday announced what it called a liberalization of the three-year-old restrictions, promising to ease the importation of some goods by land but making no offer to lift its naval embargo.

    The move seemed designed to quell intense international protest over the fatalities in late May when Israeli commandos boarded the Mavi Marmara, a Turkish-owned ship leading a convoy of vessels trying to reach Hamas-run Gaza. Israel says its soldiers were attacked before they opened fire in self-defense on pro-Palestinian activists aboard the ship.

    So, it’s not broken yet, but it’s starting to bend.

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    1. pnh’s avatar

      We’re going to do this! We dumb Obamabots know damned well that trying to be the most aggressive at the table is not the way to get things done. We also know it’s not easy getting past years, decades and even centuries of built up animosities and insecurities. It’s not easy getting past entrenched positions — either. That applies to domestic as well as foreign policy issues.

      Loud and aggressive is a conquering tactic. Around the world — there has been more than enough conquering. We need assertive calmness, rationality, empathy, and wise diplomacy.

      When I tell you I read everything I can get my hands on politicians I think show promise — I mean it. Obama wrote a paper when he was still quite young — 20 or 21 I think — with a theme summed up with a line from a reggae song. “Everybody’s calling for peace — nobody’s calling for justice.” That sums up international politics for a very long time. That paper reflected a maturity and wisdom beyond that of many politicians several times his age. I certainly wasn’t even close to him at that age. Of course — I hadn’t had his diversity of experiences — either — so — maybe I might have been had I had his life — I don’t know.

      Very recently some of our former Hillary supporting “allies” have restarted the primaries — so to speak. There’s this sentiment appearing in posts on Dkos and DU to the effect that Bush made Obama possible — that Bush screwed up so bad that an unproven black man was able to become president. They look for different kinds of proof — I suppose. They look at at resumes to see how much you’ve done that’s similar. I look at what people say and so to see how much knowledge and understanding they display.

      The kind of “change” I expected and wanted wasn’t merely a changing of the order — a new aggressive sheriff in town. I wanted to reshape policies and set foreign and domestic on a new direction — permanently. You don’t do that by aggressive battles for temporary domination. You do that by skillfully moving policies and ideas in that new direction — by changing things in such a way that as many people as possible feel like they’re choosing that path rather than being forced down that path. That’s not easy — it’s not quick. You don’t get big immediate results — but you gain smaller and lasting results over time.

      Some people apparently think we are destined to remain in a cycle similar to a lion pride or something — with change they can believe in amounting to believing in the strength of a particular male. No — that’s temporary — that change lasts only until another lion comes along and kicks his butt. Changing the behavior of the pride such that we are no longer dominated by the best fighter is real change — change the entire pride can believe in (barring people who like watching the neverending fights for domination I suppose).

      We won’t have genuine peace without justice. It’s long past time we realize this and stop asking people to sacrifice justice in the name of peace — and stop confusing justice with vengeance — inside and outside this country. We have to find ways of addressing issues that are respectful and just to all parties concerned.

      (Oh — and I haven’t bothered to tell any of those former Hillary supporters that if Obama sucks so badly that he could only win after following somebody who was amazingly bad — then what the fuck does that say about Hillary then? The other side of that coin is that even after a screw up like Bush — the amazing Hillary couldn’t beat an unproven black man. If they want to think of it that way — that would be a pretty sad commentary on Hillary.)

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    2. Oralloy’s avatar

      So, it’s not broken yet, but it’s starting to bend.

      That change was already in the works — planned as something the Palestinian moderates could take credit for so they would be in a better position to compromise with Israel.

      The only thing the blockade incident achieved is the Palestinian moderates didn’t get any credit for the easing of the blockade.

      Don’t expect the blockade to ease further and stop searching ships for weapons. That won’t happen.

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  6. Timbuk3’s avatar

    Israel bows to pressure and agrees to ease Gaza blockade

    Tony Blair warns real test will be ‘not what is said, but what is done’, while UN calls again for siege to end

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  7. Oralloy’s avatar

    As I said previously, the blockade is about Israel’s displeasure at the democratically elected government of the Gaza Strip:

    Any country would show displeasure at a government that kept trying to shell their civilians.

    And, it’s only a matter of time before the “unsustainable” blockade comes to an end:

    I wouldn’t count on it ending before there was some other way to get the Palestinians to stop firing artillery at Israeli civilians.

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