Buh-bye, Blue Dogs

Every cloud has a silver lining:

23 of the 54 Blue Dog members would bite the dust, decimating their caucus. That means that the Blue Dogs would make up 44 percent of Democratic losses, even though they only make up 21 percent of the caucus.

If the worst-case scenario comes to happen, we can enjoy this silver liming — the brunt of the losses will be felt by the very same people who helped obstruct the Democratic agenda, who fought middle class tax cuts and the Public Option, and who fueled the “Dems are divided” narrative.

One of bigger lies foisted off on the American public in 2008 was the myth of “the insurmountable Democratic majority”. It never was. FDR had 69 Democrats he could count on to pass SS. LBJ had 67 he could count on to pass “the Great Society”. Obama had somewhere around 50, and a Senate that required 60 to do ANYTHING.

Meanwhile:

The bigger the margin Republicans pile up next Tuesday, the less likely it is that the Democrats will be able to – or want to – do much when Congress reconvenes for a lame-duck session on November 15.

Rather, leadership aides tell me, they will want to do the minimum, pushing the toughest decisions on taxes, spending and debt forward to a newer, presumably more Republican, 112th Congress, which will convene for the first time on January 3, 2011.

Come January, the new Tea Party-infused GOP then would have to quickly confront the real-world consequences of its tax-cutting, budget-cutting, debt-reducing, anti-government rhetoric.

The one thing that can’t be “punted” is the Bush Tax Cuts. They expire in January. I hope the Democrats will insist that they are either extended, minus the cuts on dividends and incomes over $250K, or they can all expire and the tea-party congress can deal with it.

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  1. jo6pac’s avatar

    FDR and LBJ were down right mean and no one in there right mind would go against them. Os friend O. Snowe went against him but he won’t campaign for the demo in the state because Snow is his friend. I‘m so confused. I’ve vote already straight demodog and truly wish I had some real people to vote for instead of more corp. lackeys or the TCPP truly crazy peoples party.

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  2. pnh’s avatar

    President Obama remarked on “The Daily Show” that many of these blue dogs voted yes for things they knew might be problematic in their districts. In such districts — I doubt they’re being kicked out for being too conservative.

    It’s just in “our” nature to assume the blame lies with the “other” — the ones who are not like “us.” If this was really about Dem voter upset with conservative Democrats — about not being progressive enough — why in the world would Russ Feingold be having such a hard time?

    I ran across a quote from Feingold that I think supports my belief that Democratic party troubles are coming from within and have little to do with what Democrats could or could not do.

    Mr. Feingold, a tenacious politician who has been on the ballot for state or federal office for 28 years, was not initially considered vulnerable by either party; President Obama carried Wisconsin by 14 points in 2008. But Mr. Feingold said he detected trouble for Democrats shortly after the inauguration as he began making his annual pilgrimage to all 72 counties. “A conscious decision was made by certain groups to destroy this presidency the minute it started,” he said.

    http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/f/russell_d_feingold/index.html

    Now — who doesn’t know that rightwing groups are going to do that for any Democratic presidency? Sure — the racist rightwingers would want it more badly — but still — rightwingers going after Democrats are expected — and there’s little reason to be vague about about them. AND — in a place where a progressive like Feingold was quite comfortable and Obama had won by a rather comfortable margin — why in the world would Feingold notice and be concerned about rightwing opposition?

    Nope — the REAL targets of Gibbs, Biden, Rahm, etc criticism aimed at “the left” are the reason Feingold found himself in trouble. Certain people were so determined to try to make sure Obama failed — they didn’t see and/or didn’t care that they were hurting Democrats and the progressive agenda in the process.

    I just wonder how deeply — or rather — how high up that effort went.

    As I said — before — it’s just out of this world unbelievable to see Democrats having to struggling when we COULD HAVE and SHOULD HAVE been dancing in the streets and adding to our numbers.

    They’ve done their damage and it’s too late to undo it for this election. I can’t make them feel any more “negative” than they already feel — so — I don’t think what I’m saying is going to negatively effect any potential Democratic vote. In fact — if anything — all the people who are being “surprised” by Obama/Democrats’ actual records and becoming re-impressed by Obama himself will hopefully look around and realize who and what has really been Democrats’ and the progressive agenda’s worst enemy over the last two years.

    They need to get real. Their “Obama failed” shit started in February 2009 — some of it even in January 2009. Early on — I saw a pattern happening. Every damned time Democrats got ready to do something big — they started posting headlines about some emotional issue — torture photos, DADT, etc.

    I have and intend to hold onto a grudge against these folks. Outside a miracle — I don’t know if it’s humanly possible for anybody to change enough for me to ever put and leave this stuff in the past. This kind of thing is always so much worse when it comes from what’s supposed to be one of your own. I’d smile and embrace the grand dragon imperial stupid whatever name of the KKK leader before any of them.

    I guess I’m irritated because even as Dems try to GOTV — these “good progressives” are still at it with their Obama is a failure shit that they started saying before he ever even took office.

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      Nice.

      PUMAs are a pain in the ass. Well, in my ass, anyway.

      It’s as if they’re out to “prove” how “progressive” they are. Maybe that’s not their intent, but that’s their appearance, to me.

      It goes back to something I’ve said for a long time. The only “perfect politician” is me. I’m going to be able to find something I disagree with any particular politician about. Even knowing that, there will be votes where the politicians will have to vote against their own self-interest because of an amendment, rider, etc. So, if finding fault with politicians is some sort of “gift”, it’s the easiest freakin’ “gift” available.

      It’s gotten to the point where I find the bashers to be whiny cry-babies.

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    2. pnh’s avatar

      It may be that some of the stuff that was going on kinda floated under the radar — that some of these people were just a little more careful than others.

      On a blog with a more mixed political crowd — a former “friend” from Yahoo got incredibly silly during the primaries. Obama winning the presidency sent said friend over the edge. As is my usual thing — I try hard not to react to such people — try not to let them take me over the edge with them (I don’t always succeed).

      Anyway — that former friend got so crazy — was saying things so dishonest and bigoted that some other former Yahoo posters that many left leaners considered racist started treating that person as a troll and let my old “friend” know they were no longer welcomed by anybody there.

      Yes. Believe it. Unlike my former friend — other “puma” types kept their cool and went on a mission. I don’t know if it’s racism — if it was because of that attempt to win by claiming Obama was cheating left people feeling vengeful — or what — but believe it. There have been and continue to be some “enemies” among us who worked even harder than Rush Limbaugh to try to make Obama fail.

      Russ Feingold having to fight hard to keep his seat — GOP pouring money into that race because vengeful Democrats gave them an opening. Sometimes Russ is a little TOO uncompromising for this “pragmatic” — and he holds one or two positions I actually don’t like — but that man is one of my very favorite politicians. He’s committed and smart and he actually investigates issues. And he’s honest — it’s rare to see him do something “expedient.” I can’t say I’ve EVER heard of him doing anything for pure political gain — for selfish political reasons.

      And when we tried to stop them — warn others about them — we were called “bots” and “fascists” and “shills.”

      I have a different kind of GOTV message. More and more people are realizing there was something more going on than GOP obstructionism. The GOP saw what was going on — and they did their best to capitalize on it.

      I hope left leaners who aren’t feeling it after these last two depressing years — and yes — I had to work hard to keep that noise from depressing me — will shake it off and send a message to people who would hurt the team for revenge AND the GOP who thought to profit from it. I hope Democrats and left leaners — even independents who appreciate the attempt to be inclusive and don’t appreciate the people who worked to prevent that unity of purpose will get up and send a message that it didn’t work. I hope we get out and go vote as a big bold FAIL stamp on the foreheads of Teapublicans and people like my former friend.

      I usually don’t admit these things — ego tripping mostly — but also not to give somebody the satisfaction of feeling that they accomplished a goal — but that friend broke my heart. Just as an example of what hate and wanting revenge can do — i’ll repeat one statement I remember. I was going to be late for work and I commented that it’s a good thing I’m generally a very committed and good worker — because I’m late a lot. I said I’m sure it’s only because once I show up — I get busy and accomplish at least as much or more than was expected of me if I had been on time. That wasn’t a boast — just a comment. I am a rather “desirable” employee. I’m not big on small talk and I don’t like “playing around” with one thing longer than necessary — so I work quickly and I’m always actually working.

      Anyway — with no provocation whatsoever — that former friend chimed in with “you probably only have a job because they don’t want to risk getting sued by a disabled black woman.” And for the record — I don’t claim disability status. Since the job didn’t come with insurance — they have no idea I even have any issues. I do have issues — as most of you know — but I sought a job I knew I could do well despite those issues.

      I would have laughed that off had a rightwinger said it. The “old” pnh is still very much here — I would have come back with a good slam. I can still be that “mean bitch” they said I was — lol. I didn’t respond to it at all — I had long stop responding to that person. But — every time they did stuff like that — no matter how many times — it hurt my heart.

      I don’t know if they thought black folks “betrayed” the Clintons (lol) or if we all became stand-ins for Obama or what — but not a few former “friends” started saying ugly and bigoted things after Obama won. If they thought it was betrayal — I have a news flash for them. That was “team player” stuff and the tendency to be non-judgmental stuff going on — that wasn’t any special love. I couldn’t and still can’t stand Bill Clinton — but I never went around bashing him for the hell of it. I didn’t like the Monica thing but the witch hunt was wrong — so I “stood by him” — and I certainly didn’t think of going on some campaign to bring him down just because I didn’t like him.

      I don’t know why I’m telling you all this — and maybe I do. I’m doing that self evaluation I spoke of. Sometimes — it’s not easy for us to see that we’re reflecting baggage. Yet — I can see that sometimes I might have been somewhat overly aggressive and careless. I don’t know if it was noticeable — but just in case it was — I’m not making excuses for it. Maybe I just wanted you guys to have a glimpse into what the anger was about — wanted you to know that it wasn’t coming from any repressed hostility I was hiding or something. And well — sharing this and “confessing” to how that stuff broke my heart might be cathartic — it may help cleanse that negativity from my spirit.

      Whatever. I felt like saying it — and I’m about to hit submit.

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  3. Uniformityville_horror’s avatar

    i didn’t want to start a new thread. Have hope!!

    http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/wmscobbcorruption/

    Charges Of Political Corruption Have Little Impact On Voter Opinion

    For Immediate Release

    Matt Shipman | News Services | 919.515.6386

    Dr. Michael Cobb | 919.513.3709

    Dr. Andy Taylor | 919.515.8618

    Release Date: 10.29.2010
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    Republican claims of political corruption in North Carolina’s Democratic Party have made little impact on public opinion among potential voters in the state, according to new polling data analyzed by North Carolina State University researchers. The findings show that highlighting actual corruption is not necessarily an effective electoral strategy.

    “The North Carolina Republican party has tried to brand state Democrats as corrupt, but we don’t know whether voters respond to this strategy,” says Dr. Michael Cobb, an associate professor of political science at NC State. “We wanted to determine whether Republican corruption claims are actually influencing the opinions and likely voting behavior of potential voters in the state.” Cobb designed this representative survey of adults in North Carolina, which ended earlier this week.

    “North Carolina should be a good case-study,” says Dr. Andy Taylor, professor of political science at NC State. “If the corruption strategy can work, it should work under the current conditions in North Carolina.” In recent years, the state has seen multiple scandals involving high-profile Democrats – including then-Speaker of the House Jim Black and former Gov. Mike Easley. Over the same timeframe, there have been no comparable Republican scandals.

    However, the poll finds that the recent scandals do not affect people’s opinion on which party is best suited to reduce political corruption.

    Specifically, the poll finds that 53 percent of respondents could name at least one political scandal over the past several years, and most respondents named a Democrat as being at the heart of the scandal. But the majority of respondents – 58 percent – say there is no difference between the parties when it comes to handling corruption. And 22 percent think Democrats would do a better job of limiting corruption, versus 20 percent who favor Republicans.

    Furthermore, the poll found that the corruption issue had no effect on how favorably people viewed the Democratic party overall. “People who identified Democrats as being involved in scandals were no more likely to have an unfavorable opinion of the party than those who didn’t identify Democrats in a scandal,” Cobb says. “The polling data show that the strategy of highlighting corruption has a marginal effect, at best. The most frequently cited Democrat associated with scandal was John Edwards, which has nothing to do with this election. This highlights the questionable nature of this strategy.”

    The survey of 663 North Carolina adults was conducted earlier this month over the Internet by Knowledge Networks on behalf of researchers in NC State’s School of Public and International Affairs. The sample was drawn from a panel of respondents Knowledge Networks recruited via random sampling of landline telephone households with listed and unlisted numbers. The company provides Web access to panel recruits who don’t already have it. With a probability basis and coverage of people who otherwise couldn’t access the Internet, the Knowledge Networks online surveys are nationally representative. Results of this survey are weighted, or adjusted, to reflect the adult population by demographic factors such as age, sex, region, race and education. No more than one time in 20 should chance variations in the sample cause results to vary more than plus or minus 3.6 percentage points from the answers that would have been obtained if all adults in North Carolina were surveyed.

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