Brzezinski: “We Don’t Need to Go to War”
Feb. 27, 2012
By Chris Frates
National Journal
WASHINGTON — Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who served under President Carter, said the United States has to make clear to Israel that an Israeli attack on Iran is not in U.S. interests (see GSN, Feb. 24).
“We don’t need to go to war,” he said in an interview on CNN’s Fareed Zakaria GPS, according to a transcript. “And we have to make that very clear to our Israeli friends. We’re not going to go to war. They’re not going to go to war by flying over our airspace over Iraq. We’re not going to support them. If they do it, they will be on their own. The consequences will be theirs, because the price we’ll all pay if they start a massive war, which the Iranians interpret as being done with our connivance, will be disastrous for us in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in the terms of oil, stability in the Middle East more generally.”
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/brzezinski-we-dont-need-go-war/
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LOL
“Zbigniew the jerk”!
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Not on topic, I know, but when I opened the page and read the first three words I saw, I started laughing.
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That was funny.
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Zbigniew is another CFR arsehole, a “realpolitik” kinda a guy. But like an analog clock, he can be right 2 times a day.
War is the last resort, only to be taken in REAL self-defense (and not in defense of “national interests” or in a disproportionate sense such as our idiotic invasion of Afghanistan).
Our problem with Iran is similar to our’s with Iraq – it’s the oil, stupid.
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Zbigniew is another CFR arsehole, a “realpolitik” kinda a guy. But like an analog clock, he can be right 2 times a day.
When has he ever been right? Is he right about “our” airspace over Iraq? Can I get a second opinion from the Iraqis on our possession of Iraqi airspace?
His claims that “we won’t be bombing Iran” fly in the face of Obama’s statements that he is willing to do so if necessary. Who is the president again?
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in a disproportionate sense such as our idiotic invasion of Afghanistan
Hardly disproportionate. They massacred 3,000 American civilians on American soil. We would have been justified in nuking all their population centers.
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Our problem with Iran is similar to our’s with Iraq – it’s the oil, stupid.
Not at all. Our problem is their illegal nuclear weapons program.
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I notice the phrase: “our airspace over Iraq”. I wonder if Mr. Brzezinski could elaborate on that, and if maybe we could run that by the Iraqi people for a second opinion.
I also noticed this part: “We don’t need to go to war. And we have to make that very clear to our Israeli friends. We’re not going to go to war.”
Has Brzezinski launched a coup and taken over the US government? Because last I knew, Obama said that he was resolved to make sure Iran did not develop nukes, and that he was not taking military options off the table.
Now I’m sure Obama and Israel have a difference of opinion over when it will be time to bomb Iran, but that does not mean that Obama is not willing to go to war.
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Israel has nukes. Why can’t Iran?
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Israel has nukes. Why can’t Iran?
Because the NPT forbids it.
Also because Iran are the bad guys. Letting Iran have nukes would be a lot like letting bank robbers have machine guns.
But mainly because the NPT forbids it.
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Yet Israel ownership of nukes was never cleared by anyone either and would have been forbidden if they had not gotten those nukes with dubious circumstances.
Does anyone know where those nukes illegally flown across the country were headed? Mainstream media never once covered that strongly important question. I suspect they were flying to Israel, … illegally!!
I call for USA sanctions on Israel, especially those sanctions for defense contracts and arms.
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Yet Israel ownership of nukes was never cleared by anyone either
No clearance is required.
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and would have been forbidden if they had not gotten those nukes with dubious circumstances.
No, no one has any authority to forbid Israel from having nuclear weapons.
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Does anyone know where those nukes illegally flown across the country were headed?
Yes. To that Air Force base in the south. I named it for you before, but I don’t remember the name.
It wasn’t exactly illegal.
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Mainstream media never once covered that strongly important question.
No, the name of the base was reported.
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I suspect they were flying to Israel, … illegally!!
They weren’t.
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I call for USA sanctions on Israel, especially those sanctions for defense contracts and arms.
That would not only be unjust, it would provoke a tremendous bombardment of Israel’s neighbors.
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That is just flat out silly. Of course, Israel would have to have had UN approval for ownership of nukes. They knew, because they have few friends (mostly because the State of Israel are not good friends to have) in the UN, that they would have to nuke-arm via very dubious practices. And Israel is willing to use dubious practices. IF Israel doesn’t have to clear their nukes with the rest of the world, why should Iran do it?
If you are satisfied by the answer “To that Air Force base in the south.”, then why are you here on this board? All you have to do is accept the official story, and indeed you have. I have not. I know we get lied to left and right from a government that is supposed to answer to The People. I find it pretty shallow thinking to not take an incidence into it’s intended but thwarted fruition.
Pollard! Larry Franklin in the upper levels of the DOD, during 9-11, during the march to illegally invade Iraq. And far more spies that I am sure they will not relate to us. And you know that those damaging spies are mostly IN our government agencies, while those same government agencies are repressing The People due to spies and terrorism. That in itself is a pretty powerful statement.
You think I don’t know things, don’t you?
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“On August 27, 2004, CBS News broke a story about an FBI investigation into a possible spy in the U.S. Department of Defense working for Israel. The story reported that the FBI had uncovered a spy working as a policy analyst under Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith and then-Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. He was later identified as Lawrence Franklin, who had previously served as an attaché at the U.S. embassy in Israel and was one of two mid-level Pentagon officials in the Office of the Secretary of Defense
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responsible for Iran policy in the office’s Northern Gulf directorate.
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Franklin has pled guilty to passing on a classified presidential directive, and other sensitive documents pertaining to U.S. deliberations on foreign policy regarding Iran to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, who in turn provided the information to Israel. FBI sources have indicated that the year-long investigation was actively underway when the CBS News story broke.
According to FBI surveillance tapes, Franklin relayed top-secret information to Rosen and Keith Weissman, a senior Iran analyst with AIPAC, while at the Tivoli Restaurant in Arlington, Virginia. On 27 August, the FBI raided Rosen’s office, copying his personal computer’s hard drive.[5]”
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That is just flat out silly. Of course, Israel would have to have had UN approval for ownership of nukes.
Nope. Israel does not require permission from anyone, much less the UN.
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the State of Israel are not good friends to have
Nonsense. They are great friends to have.
They make pretty bad enemies though.
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IF Israel doesn’t have to clear their nukes with the rest of the world, why should Iran do it?
It’s against the law for Iran to have nukes.
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If you are satisfied by the answer “To that Air Force base in the south.”, then why are you here on this board?
To defend the truth and fight for justice.
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All you have to do is accept the official story, and indeed you have. I have not. I know we get lied to left and right from a government that is supposed to answer to The People. I find it pretty shallow thinking to not take an incidence into it’s intended but thwarted fruition.
Nothing was intended. People were just lax in their duties.
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“Because the NPT forbids it.”
Now THAT’S funny.
“Also because Iran are the bad guys.”
For the immense majority of the world, it’s the US and Israel, baby.
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Now THAT’S funny.
What’s funny about international law?
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For the immense majority of the world, it’s the US and Israel, baby.
No, only evil people object to the US and/or Israel. They are not the majority.
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The “second pillar” of the NPT is disamament. Thus all nuclear powers have already taken down one of the pillars of the NPT, which is in effect, a PR document more than anything else.
From the Iranian (and other’s) POV, the NPT could be considerd an “odious obligation”.
The US’ military and intelligence organizations aren’t convinced that Iran’s nuclear program is actually directed towards making nukes. I wouldn’t mind Iran having nukes – it would make war less likely in the region. But what’s really happening is a rhetoric similar to the pre-Iraq invasion. And lots of people fall for it, the usual fear mongering.
At any rate, the NPT’s Article X allows a country to abandon it. Iran could do so, but hasn’t.
The reality is that we have the usual fight between the have’s and the have-nots, and in this case it has to do with the weapons required to impose dominance.
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The “second pillar” of the NPT is disamament. Thus all nuclear powers have already taken down one of the pillars of the NPT, which is in effect, a PR document more than anything else.
The US and Russia have engaged in massive disarmament in recent decades.
If Iran is allowed to build nukes, however, it will mean the end of the NPT and the spread of nukes around the world.
The US would have to react to that by building our arsenal back up to Cold War levels, and also resuming nuclear tests and designing better warheads.
We’d also want to share our advanced warhead designs with our allies, so they are better able to cope with such a world. Israel in particular would gain quite a leap from moving to atomic warheads to our most advanced thermonuclear warheads. And many of China and Russia’s neighbors would benefit from our warhead designs too (in particular, Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Australia, Poland, and Georgia).
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From the Iranian (and other’s) POV, the NPT could be considerd an “odious obligation”.
Bank robbers think the same of laws that allow police to carry guns but not felons.
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The US’ military and intelligence organizations aren’t convinced that Iran’s nuclear program is actually directed towards making nukes.
Not exactly. They note that Iran is not manufacturing components and assembling them into working devices. And that is true.
But Iran is working as hard as they can towards building the capability to do so, in particular the capability to produce fissile material. And 99% of the difficulty in making a nuke is being able to produce the fissile material.
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I wouldn’t mind Iran having nukes
Do you also mind a world where the US resumes nuclear testing and freely shares all our warhead designs with Israel and other allies?
Because if the NPT isn’t going to be binding on Iran, it isn’t going to be binding on the US either.
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it would make war less likely in the region.
That would be a bad thing. Iran would become even more of a troublemaker than they already are, and use their nuclear deterrent to prevent the west from intervening.
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At any rate, the NPT’s Article X allows a country to abandon it. Iran could do so, but hasn’t.
A country is only allowed to withdraw for a good reason.
“I’m a rogue nation and I want nuclear weapons” doesn’t qualify as a good reason.
In addition, even if Iran were able to legitimately withdraw, their nuclear weapons program would only be legal if they started it after withdrawing. Iran has been running their nuclear weapons program for decades, and they cannot now legitimize an already illegal program by simply withdrawing from the NPT.
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“What’s funny about international law?”
For me? Nothing. For Israel it’s a laughing matter considering what they do with occupied territory.
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So long as the Palestinians refuse to make peace, there seems little justification for complaining about the settlements — especially since most of the settlers are west of the wall, on land that Israel will annex when the Palestinians finally push things too far.
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You know, I personally have become disenchanted with our own government,and their wrongful way of deaing with issues and with The People. I am not alone. The majority of The People in this country no longer like their government.
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There’s nothing funny about it, Amerika owns everything and all minerals. What little tv I watch this ad stopped me in my tracks.
http://www.c-e.com/work/clients/US-Navy.html
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Which ad?
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Israeli Defenses Inadequate For Beating Missile Onslaught, Lawmaker Says
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/israeli-defenses-not-ready-missile-onslaught-lawmaker-says/Feb. 28, 2012
Only three-fourths of Israel’s population has access to strengthened structures that would provide protection from missile strikes, a senior lawmaker told Reuters in a Monday rebuke of the government’s efforts to prepare for a possible assault by Iran (see GSN, Nov. 3, 2011).Close to 25 percent Israeli citizens do not live near either residential bomb shelters or reinforced community bunkers, said Zeev Bielski who leads the Knesset’s home defense preparations panel.
“Are we prepared for a war? No,” said the lawmaker from the opposition Kadima party. “Thing are moving too slowly and we are wasting very precious time.”
The Civil Defense Ministry verified Bielski’s statistics on civilian access to bomb shelters. (snip)
Jerusalem believes that some 100,000 missiles and rockets are targeting Israel.
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There are reasons why there are missiles and rockets targeting Israel. They are supposed to love their neighbor as themselves, but … they just cannot seem to get that honorable commandment down and practiced. Israel is such a cranky country.
Nonsense. All Israel does is defend themselves when they are attacked. It is their neighbors who always choose to pick a fight.
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That is not how I see it from a once objective point of view, seen with little emotional investment in the situation.
This is all about who wants the power and who has the power.
F-K power! Powerful people are often pedophiles, as factions of the Israeli government have indicated (am thinking of an Israeli PM who had to step down due to child porn ownership issues, or pedophilia, very bare memory but likely to be true. I seem to remember something about the resignation).
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If my memory isn’t failing, I think it had more to do with rape/harassment.
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Oh yeah, really moral guys!
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That is not how I see it from a once objective point of view, seen with little emotional investment in the situation.
It is a fact that Israel’s wars have all been defensive, with a single exception.
And that single exception had the UK and France being more culpable than Israel.
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“It is a fact that Israel’s wars have all been defensive, with a single exception.”
No, that’s simply falsehood. Israel unilaterally declared statehood against the will of the majority of its inhabitants, knowing full well that the result would be war.
The Jews are not a race, they share a religion. Nationalism of any sort is a bane. Having been a victim doesn’t justify being a perpetrator. Might does not make right.
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No, that’s simply falsehood. Israel unilaterally declared statehood against the will of the majority of its inhabitants, knowing full well that the result would be war.
The fact that the Palestinians insist on making war on Israel does not make Israel the aggressor for daring to exist.
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Let’s delve into why Israel is being attacked.
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That one’s easy. It’s because evil people insist on attacking them.
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Do you really believe that I will take a superficial answer like that?
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I posted a truthful explanation of the issue you raised. What more could you want?
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Drink deep into the propaganda, Uzi.
It’s not very becoming, but I suppose it is oddly satisfying for some.
Faith seems to enter into the question here.
What’s the last bodycount in Gaza? 500 Palestinian dead vs. 0 Israelis?
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Drink deep into the propaganda, Uzi.
Never. I reject all propaganda and deal only in facts.
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Faith seems to enter into the question here.
No faith. Only facts.
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What’s the last bodycount in Gaza? 500 Palestinian dead vs. 0 Israelis?
I don’t know. Good if it is zero. That would mean they have prevented the Palestinians from murdering anyone.
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The moral and political meaning of nuclear weapons is that states which renounce their use are acquiescing to the status of vassal states. All those states which feel satisfied with possessing conventional weapons alone are fated to become vassal states.
Munya Mardoch, Director of the Israeli Institute for the Development of Weaponry, 1994 -
“Israel] … must invent dangers, and to do this it must adapt the strategy of provocation and revenge.”
Moshe Dayan-
There is nothing imaginary about Iran’s illegal nuclear weapons program, nor is it anything that Israel has provoked.
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What is imaginary is that you all think they are truly allowed to be armed and on focused targets.
I just don’t feel that way. I feel no nuke will ever work against mankind again.
And what stupid and thoughtless country actually USED ONE against some other country in the world? That country should remain in quarentine and parole. It was an incredibly stupid and thoughtless act that killed LIFE, not just of people, but a section of earth!
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I just don’t feel that way. I feel no nuke will ever work against mankind again.
Let the NPT die and proliferation spread around the world, and you’ll see them used again.
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And what stupid and thoughtless country actually USED ONE against some other country in the world? That country should remain in quarentine and parole. It was an incredibly stupid and thoughtless act that killed LIFE, not just of people, but a section of earth!
We only used them on military targets at the height of a brutal war.
And the earth is fine. Hiroshima and Nagasaki are both thriving cities today.
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Just how did Israel GET their nukes?
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“Just how did Israel GET their nukes?”
It was the French, curiously enough. And JFK was mighty pissed about it.
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France sold them their reactor, but did not intend it to be for plutonium production.
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Boy I would be pissed about it too. Crazy action. Maybe the thing doesn’t really work and is merely to placate a childishly
power-mongering israel.Heck, IMHO, no nuke will be allowed to function properly. Not any country’s a arms.
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Maybe the thing doesn’t really work and is merely to placate a childishly power-mongering israel.
Israel is neither childish nor power-mongering. They merely defend themselves when people insist on attacking them.
And the reactor has worked like a dream. It has produced a very large quantity of weapons-grade plutonium.
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Heck, IMHO, no nuke will be allowed to function properly. Not any country’s a arms.
No, they work quite well actually.
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Of course that is what they tell us, isn’t it? But generally lies are the predominant communications on these types of issues.
I know what I am supposed to believe. But I also don’t believe what I am supposed to believe.
Gods I sound like don Rumsfeld now! I better get back to bed before it makes me ill!-
Has anyone read Shlomo Sand?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shlomo_Sand
What is bizarre is that the Zionists, who were persecuted because of race, insist on the race card.
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Of course that is what they tell us, isn’t it? But generally lies are the predominant communications on these types of issues.
It’s basic science. The nukes really work, especially the modern ones.
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Of course that is what I, again I say, am supposed to believe. But I don’t believe it.
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I’m not sure how to respond to a refusal to believe in science.
But in any case, we will not allow ourselves to be nuked just because you refuse to believe in nuclear weapons.
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Just how did Israel GET their nukes?
Who sold it to them?No one. They built them themselves.
Their atomic artillery shells were copied from a US design (likely without our permission).
Their strategic nukes are their own design (a sort of lightweight Sloika device).
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“Thou shalt not lie!”
“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house,”
“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
“Thou shalt not kill.”
“thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s.”No one can say that the predominant dislike for Israel is anti-Semetism. Because the State of Israel is not fuctioning under Jewish laws, but merely intends to break every single one of them.
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No one can say that the predominant dislike for Israel is anti-Semetism.
I’ve never had any trouble saying it.
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Because the State of Israel is not fuctioning under Jewish laws, but merely intends to break every single one of them.
Nonsense.
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http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/israeli-us-leaders-rush-close-divide-iran-strategy/
Staffers for President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are rushing to narrow a significant gap in the leaders’ positions on how to address Iran’s suspected nuclear-weapon development efforts amid U.S. concerns that Jerusalem might unilaterally employ armed force within months against its longtime foe in the Middle East, Reuters reported on Friday (see GSN, March 1).
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Obama did a good job of committing the US to the eventual bombardment of Iran, though only when they move to the phase where they begin producing weapon components and assembling them.
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Iran is no threat to Israel, to the US or to Europe.
If it had nukes, it would be safe from unilateral attack, nothing else.
If it unilaterally attacked, Iran KNOWS that it would cease to exist in a flash.
Literally.
This whole hullabaloo is just more bogeymen for the lesser lights. To fall for it (yet again) is one of the worst indictments against the concept of democracy.
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One thing I admire about our society is that SOMETIMES we are open about our stupidity. We actually had a party/movement that called itself the “know-nothing” party (part of the origin of the GOP, fwiw).
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Iran is no threat to Israel, to the US or to Europe.
If it had nukes, it would be safe from unilateral attack, nothing else.
That alone is bad.
Iran will become even more of a troublemaker than they already are if they become immune from attack.
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“Iran will become even more of a troublemaker than they already are if they become immune from attack.”
Have you considered that it is currently a “troublemaker” (paling in comparison to the US, fwiw) because it is completely encircled by troops from a regime that has persecuted it since the downfall of our fascist toadie, the Shah?
Have you considered that Iran might conceivably become less “troublesome” if it no longer felt threatened?
Just asking. Countries are not “troublemakers” for the fun of it. Political ideology, as opposed to economic ideology, rarely causes trouble.
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Have you considered that it is currently a “troublemaker” (paling in comparison to the US, fwiw) because it is completely encircled by troops from a regime that has persecuted it since the downfall of our fascist toadie, the Shah?
No, because we haven’t persecuted them, and because Iran has been a troublemaker from the very beginning of their 1979 revolution.
And hardly paling in comparison to us. Assuming moral equivalence between a free democracy like the US and a brutal dictatorship like Iran is like assuming moral equivalence between police officers and bank robbers.
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Have you considered that Iran might conceivably become less “troublesome” if it no longer felt threatened?
Aside from our intent to end their drive for nuclear weapons, we are no threat to Iran.
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“And hardly paling in comparison to us. Assuming moral equivalence between a free democracy like the US and a brutal dictatorship like Iran is like assuming moral equivalence between police officers and bank robbers.”
Police officers in a cleptocracy are virtually indistinguishable from bank robbers.
If the US is indeed a democracy, it should be held to the highest standards – where we fail.
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If the US is indeed a democracy, it should be held to the highest standards – where we fail.
We do as well as could be expected.
And *all* countries need to be held to those standards.
It is silly to pretend some sort of moral equivalence between a free democracy and a brutal dictatorship.
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Uzi… please try to disconect sometime. Forget that you’re an American and imagine yourself as, say, a Palestinain.
It’s called empathy, the basis of emotional intelligence.
Then think that in the Muslim world, Israel and the US are considered as the greatest threats. Think about it, put yourself in their shoes.
They might be right or wrong, as you might be right or wrong. If you’ve followed this web throughout it’s multiple incarnations, I’d hope that you’d have learned that for most people, reality and interpretation tend to get confused. IOW, reality IS interpretation for most people.
You see things from one POV and seem incapable of contemplating others. You base your POV on one sort of information, and reject other founts of information without even a cursory glance.
In some places, this could be considered as a sort of bigotry.
Please make an effort. I do so continually, with more or less success. But before I argue an issue, I make damned sure that I have tried to step in the other man’s shoes – because I reserve the right to be wrong. And after I do so, I look towars what would be the best solution for all involved before I look to see what could be the best outcome for ME.
Give it a try? Could you play-act Abu Ben Uzzi for a day? Might it not be a fun exercise?
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For me, reality and interpretation rarely gets confused.
If I’m projecting myself as a Palestinian, I presume I still have the same tendency to focus on reality?
If so, the outcome is easy. I reject my Palestinian indoctrination, and I see that Israel is no threat and are merely defending themselves.
If I speak the truth, my neighbors will cut off my head, so I probably do not speak out.
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If I reject a source, it is likely because the source contradicts reality.
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The best solution for all involved would be a negotiated peace deal between Israel and the Palestinians.
Punishing Israel for the fact that the Palestinians refuse to negotiate is not a path to a successful peace deal. The Palestinians merely keep refusing to negotiate, and it generates enormous ill will towards negotiations among the Israelis.
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Incapable.
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I am too tired and blue to argue. Unlike you, I don’t have an emotional investment in this issue. Just an anger towards Israel for a myriad of reasons.
Funeral tomorrow. No real emotional investment in this one either. A thoughtless, neo-christian, blind GOP voter who happens to be a cousin, one that didn’t work to prevent cancer, with her hormone injections to try and get pregnant, and her BPA-laden tupperware sales, while living in a toxin-laden mobile home, who gave no thought whatsoever as to where her food came from.
I feel for her mother very deeply. But folks, you cannot walk thru this life anymore thinking that someone else or our government is going to look out for you. Because they are NOT looking out for you. You have to do it yourself. Or just be alert to some of my posts.
Drink green tea:
It prevents breast cancer by 35%.
It prevents Prostate cancer by 47%!!!
Neither of these are numbers to ignore. Neither of these are diseases you really want to have.-
Just an anger towards Israel for a myriad of reasons.
There is no reason to be angry with Israel. All they do is defend themselves from people who insist on attacking them.
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From G. Edward Griffin:
Obama tells Israel Prime Minister that the US will strike Iran if present international sanctions fail to deter it from pursuing nuclear weapons. Iran has denied making weapons and, so far, there is no proof that they intend to do so. [Since Israel, the US, Great Britain, and other aligned countries are strangling Iran's economy and threatening a military attack, we would not be surprised if Iran really is trying to develop nuclear weapons to defend itself. If you throw stones at a mean dog, don't be surprised if it tries to bite you.] LA Times 2012 Mar 2
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-interview-iran-20120302,0,7234351.storySeems like the war is, the argument is by specific design and with ultimate ends. We are forcing them to have nukes, are we not?
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so far, there is no proof that they intend to do so.
Sure there is.
There is the fact that their nuclear program is devoted only to the specific technologies needed to build nuclear weapons.
There is the fact that their nuclear program is cloaked in secrecy.
There is the fact that they refuse to allow IAEA inspectors to visit their nuclear sites until after they’ve demolished them and hauled all the topsoil away. (LINK)
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Since Israel, the US, Great Britain, and other aligned countries are strangling Iran’s economy and threatening a military attack, we would not be surprised if Iran really is trying to develop nuclear weapons to defend itself.
That’s silly. Iran’s nuclear weapons program came first, and they are only at risk of being bombed because of that nuclear weapons program.
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We are forcing them to have nukes, are we not?
No. We are going to force them to not have nukes.
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Looks like there could be an Israeli spy in the DOD again, up near the top just like last time.
Panetta: Pentagon Planning for Potential Iran Strikes
March 8, 2012 | Yochi J. Dreazen | Counterproliferation, Nuclear , Military Counterproliferation , Sanctions, Nuclear
WASHINGTON — The Pentagon is preparing an array of military options for striking Iran if hard-hitting diplomatic and economic sanctions fail to persuade Tehran to drop its nuclear ambitions, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told National Journal in an interview on Thursday.
http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/panetta-pentagon-planning-potential-iran-strikes/I think Obama demand that for our support, that Israel shut their loud oral cavities.
Our government doesn’t have the money for another war. So I support the war if it means we can reconstruct a new government more closely resembling the US Constitution. I don’t support the war if it means that the USA government not crash.-
I think Obama demand that for our support, that Israel shut their loud oral cavities.
Israel has the right to speak out on issues that concern them.
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Our government doesn’t have the money for another war.
Sure they do. They control the money supply. They have all the money they could ever want.
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So I support the war if it means we can reconstruct a new government more closely resembling the US Constitution. I don’t support the war if it means that the USA government not crash.
The US government is not going anywhere. But the war is going to be necessary, as it will be the only way to end Iran’s nuclear weapons program.
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Poll: Majority of Americans don’t want Israel to attack Iran
March 13, 2012 | 5:26 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/03/israel-iran-nuclear-attack-poll.htmlIsrael’s supporters protest at White House.
A majority of Americans do not want Israel to attack Iranian nuclear facilities, and believe that Iran could rebuild its nuclear program in less than five years if it were attacked, according to a new University of Maryland poll.
—————-What I see is that Israel doesn’t have any interest in protecting their people. Instead of placing shields for the people living in israal, they just want to buy more missiles. Doesn’t make any sense not to protect their people if they are so concerned about their people.
But we know, by the Mossad’s own admissions, that they havae bombed thier own to further an agenda. So of course, it comes as no surprise that Israel is not concerned about their own people.
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Poll: Majority of Americans don’t want Israel to attack Iran
They’ll be pleased to know then that the bombardment of Iran will probably be carried out by Obama.
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believe that Iran could rebuild its nuclear program in less than five years if it were attacked
The idea is to re-bomb Iran on a yearly basis, to prevent them from rebuilding.
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What I see is that Israel doesn’t have any interest in protecting their people.
Just the opposite. The whole point of bombing Iran is to protect people, including the Israeli people.
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►►Ex-Mossad chief says Iran’s response to attack would be devastating. An Israeli attack on Iran would lead to a missile attack on Tel Aviv that would have a “devastating impact” on the ability of Israelis to continue their daily lives, Meir Dagan, former head of Israel’s spy agency Mossad, said on Monday. Dagan said that Iran doesn’t have only four nuclear sites, but it has “dozens” of them. He seemed quite skeptic over the effectiveness of an Israeli attack on Iran, saying that no military attack could halt the Iranian nuclear project. “The attack could only delay it”, he said.
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Having a few ballistic missiles fired at them is an inconvenience they’ve weathered many times before. “Devastating” is overblown.
While it is true that there are a lot of minor Iranian nuclear sites, there are still four key ones. In any case, the US will likely be the ones to do the bombing, and we have more than enough to hit all their sites.
And a simple yearly re-bombardment of Iran would prevent them from ever successfully rebuilding.
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Two different sources tell us otherwise, Or.
So I think there must be something to it.I call for sanctions on Israel if they bomb Iran, most especially those of defense and weapons. Already told my Congressmen this.
Israel simply will not love their neighbors. So why should their neighbors love them?
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Two different sources tell us otherwise, Or.
So I think there must be something to it.That’s a little vague. There have been a lot of various points raised, and I can’t tell what point I’m supposed to be defending here.
In any case, Obama has very clearly stated his intention to bomb Iran to prevent them from developing nuclear weapons, and I suspect that Netanyahu is content to let Obama do it.
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I call for sanctions on Israel if they bomb Iran, most especially those of defense and weapons.
That would be unjust, as Israel will have done nothing wrong. The US does not perpetrate injustices like that.
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Israel simply will not love their neighbors.
That might be due to their neighbors’ incessant efforts to murder Israeli children.
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So why should their neighbors love them?
The reason they *should* do so is because it is the right thing to do. Israel’s neighbors are mostly bad people though, so slim chances of that ever happening.
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” “The attack could only delay it”, he said”
I’ve seen lots of similar stories. What’s clear is that Israel is one fucked up country.
The demise of Israel’s Labour Party – and it’s Western-style acquiescence to “centrism” has left the doors wide open to rw manipulation.
I’m in touch with some lw Israelis who are pissed off to hell about what’s happening over there. Manipulated news, jingoism, fear-mongering… which eventually reaches the US through IPAC.
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What’s clear is that Israel is one fucked up country.
It’s not so bad. The Israeli military does a decent job of keeping everyone safe.
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The demise of Israel’s Labour Party – and it’s Western-style acquiescence to “centrism” has left the doors wide open to rw manipulation.
Do you remember why the Labor Party suffered a catastrophic collapse?
(They are “down, but not out” BTW. Though they won’t return to power until Israel’s neighbors are willing to make peace, if that ever happens.)
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I’m in touch with some lw Israelis who are pissed off to hell about what’s happening over there.
Do they recognize that the reason it is happening is because Israel’s neighbors refuse to stop attacking Israel?
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“It’s not so bad.”
You’ve been there? I have. Believe me, it’s one fucked up country.
“Do you remember why the Labor Party suffered a catastrophic collapse?”
Sure. It’s leader was murdered by a batshit crazy conservative.
“Do they recognize that the reason it is happening is because Israel’s neighbors refuse to stop attacking Israel?”
That’s a red herring.
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The attack could only delay it”, he said
I’ve seen lots of similar stories.
Forgot to reply to this part before.
The plan is to keep bombing Iran as they try to rebuild.
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Sure. It’s leader was murdered by a batshit crazy conservative.
The Labor Party survived that. Labor fell from power because they tried to negotiate peace in 2000-2001, and the Palestinians responded to the peace negotiations by sending wave after wave of suicide bombers to murder Israeli civilians (children if they could manage it) until the Israeli voters got so sick of being massacred that they kicked Labor out of power and elected Ariel Sharon.
Labor will return to power if the Israeli voters ever see that their neighbors are finally willing to make peace, but probably not a day sooner.
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That’s a red herring.
No, the reason the right currently has so much power is directly tied to the fact that Israel’s neighbors refuse to make peace.
The Israeli voters aren’t fools. They want peace, but they are not going to elect a peacemaker when there is no peace to be had.
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You’re a bright boy. It’s time you learn to sort out propaganda from reality.
Ipso dixit.
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It’s time you learn to sort out propaganda from reality.
I’ve known that all along. Note your earlier comment about me rejecting some sources automatically. I reject them because they are contrary to reality.
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Alas, you reject sources that don’t agree with your preconceived notions.
Go visit Israel sometime, then get back to me.
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Alas, you reject sources that don’t agree with your preconceived notions.
No, I reject sources that contradict reality. It is that very same “filtering out of propaganda” that you were recommending to me a few posts up.
I’ve never rejected a source without a good reason.
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“Israelies don’t buy things they do not intend to use.”
We sold more than 200 bunker-busters to Israel two years ago. They had to reconfigure F-15s to carry those bunker busters. Those bombs are mounted, ready to go, and they will be used.
Bunker-busters are NOT defensive weapons, Or! I am aghast at your blind thoughts on Israel.
Gods Damm the state of Israel and it’s war-mongering!! I will be doing the ether-work that tries to stop this. AND I will again call my Congressmen on the bad, bad Israel.
I have no doubt at all that that is where those illegally-flying nukes were going when, armed, they crossed our country. They were either going to be used by some power-mongering faction within this country ON this country. OR they were going to Israel.
Israel’s national government is suffering from figurative Tay Sachs, demented and literally seeing red!:
As the disease progresses, other symptoms may also occur, including:Seizures
Increased startle reflex to noise (of course!)
Vision loss (it appears this is true)
Hearing loss (this is an absolute!)
Inability to swallow (yeppers, they got the disease)
Mental retardation (No doubt about it!)
Paralysis (need say no more)
Dementia. (already there!)An eye abnormality called a cherry-red spot, which can be identified with an eye examination, is one of the characteristic symptoms of Tay-Sachs disease.
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We sold more than 200 bunker-busters to Israel two years ago.
We don’t actually “sell” weapons to Israel. They get the weapons for free.
But yes. Obama wanted a 10-month freeze on settlement construction, and Israel refused to comply unless they were given a supply of 5,000-pound bunker busters.
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They had to reconfigure F-15s to carry those bunker busters.
Such reconfiguration is easily done.
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Those bombs are mounted, ready to go, and they will be used.
Perhaps. But I think probably Obama and Netanyahu reached an understanding, where Israel would agree not to do the bombing now, and in exchange Obama would later conduct a much more extensive bombardment of Iran using the US Air Force.
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Bunker-busters are NOT defensive weapons, Or! I am aghast at your blind thoughts on Israel.
Something needs to be done about Iran’s nuclear program.
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Gods Damm the state of Israel and it’s war-mongering!!
Again, something needs to be done about Iran’s nuclear program.
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I will be doing the ether-work that tries to stop this.
Just don’t go to Iran as a human shield or something. The collateral damage from this bombardment will be a lot worse than you imagine. The clouds of toxic and acidic gas that’ll be drifting across the countryside after the nuclear plants are blown up will make things pretty grim for anyone who happens to be downwind.
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AND I will again call my Congressmen on the bad, bad Israel.
They aren’t bad. This is something that has to be done.
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I have no doubt at all that that is where those illegally-flying nukes were going when, armed, they crossed our country. They were either going to be used by some power-mongering faction within this country ON this country. OR they were going to Israel.
It was hardly illegal. They were flying to a missile disassembly facility.
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A fucking wall.
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I can’t tell if that is supposed to mean me or the protective structure Israel has built.
I will never accept something that is clearly untrue.
The wall in Israel is going to be the new border once Israel loses patience and annexes everything west of it.
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