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March 4, 2012 in Uncategorized by iconoclast_555 | 11 comments
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jo6pac on March 5, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Here’s a bill silently passing through govt. that goes with the cartoon.
—H.R. 347, or the “Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011
Here’s who voted for this bill to end the 1st amendment.
We the People is over with this bill
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Timbuk3 on March 6, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Hey, I missed this earlier.
There’s a story lurking in the back of my mind that I can’t quite recall. It has something to do with printing presses, government oppression, and the rise of underground newspapers. Not in the 70s. My dim old man memory is kicking the name “Thomas Paine” around, but it’s not coming to me. Alvy “the Historian”, any ideas what I’m thinking of?
At any rate, not to defend this bill, which I skimmed for less than a minute, but I have a question.
In light of the way twitter and facebook are being used by the “feminazis” to take down the vulgar pig boy (Rush Limbaugh, if that name doesn’t ring a bell), are a bunch of hippies, and people who were already living in the park anyway, gathered in a park as effective at changing things as freedom of speech on the internet?
Put another way, regardless of how this bill turns out, how do “you” feel about >em>putting your life on the line over freedom of speech on the internet?
Would you stand so firmly over it that you’d support civil war?
I’m not being sarcastic of facetious. Anonymous posting on a blog is hardly the same as giving up home and family to defend something you believe in.
But it sounds so silly to even ask; would you (potentially) give up everything to “defend twitter”?
Cuz that’s roughly where we are, these days, thanks to a RW wholly corporate-owned media that won’t give us any other voice.
iconoclast_555 on March 7, 2012 at 1:42 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_press might help out. Perhaps you refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_v._Minnesota?
Oralloy on March 6, 2012 at 6:50 am
I don’t think Rall is very fair to Obama. Health insurance was an amazing achievement. Maybe it’s not perfect, but it can be modified and adjusted over time now that the program exists to begin with.
Maybe the left haven’t got 100% of what they want, but Obama has already achieved more than anyone since LBJ. How much does he have to achieve before he gets a little credit?
lewagner on March 6, 2012 at 4:27 pm
LB fvcking J?
Timbuk3 on March 6, 2012 at 10:26 pm
He’s probably referring to the civil rights act and medicare, which you have to admit are pretty big accomplishments, not the hopeless war that changed a generation in Viet Nam.
Oralloy on March 6, 2012 at 11:13 pm
He’s probably referring to the civil rights act and medicare, which you have to admit are pretty big accomplishments
Yes, in part.
I can’t think of anything between LBJ and Obama that matched the achievements of either.
not the hopeless war that changed a generation in Viet Nam.
It wasn’t hopeless. We had all but won the war by the end of the Tet Offensive. If Ford had been in a strong enough position to do an Iran/Contra when Congress cut off aid in 1975, South Vietnam would be free today. I hope one day their descendants can forgive us for selling them out to the Communists.
Timbuk3 on March 6, 2012 at 11:24 pm
“I can’t think of anything between LBJ and Obama that matched the achievements of either.”
Nixon did some good things, but not on the same scale. Opening trade relations with China had the possibility of being a good thing. I don’t blame Nixon for how it turned out. Carter had potential, but didn’t learn fast enough. The rest were all losers. I’m REALLY tired, right now, having worked another 12-hour day in the paradise that is America, but I can’t think of any “major” Clinton accomplishment. Reagan was a deceitful (but intelligently backed) douche out to destroy the middle class, and I think ya’all know where I stand on the Bush family; their “accomplishments”, especially those of George the dumber, contributed to the mess the world is in, today.
“If Ford had been in a strong enough position to do an Iran/Contra…”
We’re not going to agree on this. Might as well let it go.
Oralloy on March 6, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Here is a list of some of LBJ’s achievements:
Civil Rights Act of 1964
Voting Rights Act of 1965
Food Stamps as a permanent (as opposed to ad hoc) federal program
National Endowment for the Arts
National Endowment for the Humanities
Public Broadcasting (PBS/NPR)
iconoclast_555 on March 7, 2012 at 1:46 pm
“I don’t think Rall is very fair to Obama.”
He’s a political humorist and doesn’t need to be fair. But he is at least an equal-opportunity lambaster – hitting politicos of every stripe.
My views on government-mandated corporate welfare for insurance companies, sans effective cost controls, is clear to all. Horrible precedent, completely neoliberal, and likely to stop any european-type plan for the forseeable (5-10 generations?) future. His typical downfall – nice objective, horrible means to achieve it.
“but Obama has already achieved more than anyone since LBJ”
That’s not saying much. Since LBJ things have gone to hell, politically.
“How much does he have to achieve before he gets a little credit?”
I’m hard-pressed to identify much of anything positive achieved, if one considers my POV on health care. Iraq was on Dubya’s timetable, for example, so that’s not really “his” achievement.
Oralloy on March 7, 2012 at 9:25 pm
My views on government-mandated corporate welfare for insurance companies, sans effective cost controls, is clear to all.
Now that the program is in place, those cost controls will be easy to add in at a later date.
All you really need is competition from a not-for-profit insurance source in each of the markets.
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