Watch What You Say

The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center

Rather than Bibles, prophets, and worshippers, this temple will be filled with servers, computer intelligence experts, and armed guards. And instead of listening for words flowing down from heaven, these newcomers will be secretly capturing, storing, and analyzing vast quantities of words and images hurtling through the world’s telecommunications networks. In the little town of Bluffdale, Big Love and Big Brother have become uneasy neighbors.

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  1. jo6pac’s avatar

    I’m not saying another word. I’ve been watching this for a while isn’t amazing that that they’re only really only after Amerikan citizens that don’t agree with their own govt.

    I’m said these since gwb the lesser (big dog) started this hunt kill then options of this countries citizens. Well I’m sure glad I’m a member of the boomers so everyone will have someone to hate other than the normal suspects’ the liberal media creative.
    Off to dinner

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      What’s frustrating, for me, is that railing against Obama (or Bush) isn’t going to fix this.

      We clearly need a better SCOTUS We allowed the SCOTUS to be filled with 4 RW extremist ideologues and a RW “centrist” (Kennedy /snark off) through our own inattentiveness/inaction. Returning the SCOTUS to giving a shit about the middle class will take decades, perhaps generations, and we have only ourselves to blame. (Well, ourselves and an activist court that “elected” the.worst.president.in.history, but I’m not going there.)

      But…

      Grover Norquist was right when he said “Romney is fine, all we need is a puppet who will sign the legislation that congress sends him”, or words to that effect. That’s the ONLY reason the POTUS election matters. Will the POTUS sign what congress sends, or not? Well, that and SCOTUS nominations, which could be coming up soon. Ginsberg is in her 80s, and Scalia’s in his late 70s. Uncle Clarence (the most corrupt judge in my lifetime) doesn’t give a shit at all, but he’s not going to retire until he knows he’ll be replaced with a RW judge, so we have to have an endless string of “D” POTUS’s, and wait for him to die.

      The Pelosi House sent a LOT of good bills to the Senate, to die of the record setting filubusters offered by the GOP (who hate America and the middle class).

      The Reid Senate has been a bulwark against GOP excesses.

      But until we can convince states like AL and KS that they’re voting against their own interests, it’s all for naught.

      As long as the electoral college occasionally grants RW extremists access to sign the shit that a RW congress sends them, we’re screwed.

      I don’t know how to fix that.

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  2. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    “What’s frustrating, for me, is that railing against Obama (or Bush) isn’t going to fix this”

    That’s an interesting assertion.

    If it had been Dubya you’d be climbing the walls, but since it’s Obama, it’s now a matter of the scotus.

    Well, the initiative is from the executive branch, run by “our” choice for “change” – and that deserves at least a little censure, don’t you think?

    What has to be changed is this third way crap that makes a mockery of choice. You know, real progressives as opposed to “centrists” that spew progressive-sounding rhetoric while basically applying neolib, and sometimes neocon, policies. IOW, cut the triangulation and be proactive, as the GOP has been for 20 years, in proclaiming and applying an ideology – a vision of where the country should be going in the long-term.

    Obama’s nominations haven’t exactly been to the left of Reagan’s and Bush Sr.’s, not by a long shot. Of course, GOP nominees would probably be batshit insane, so we’re back to where we started with the lesser of two evils conundrum. That said, “centrist” nominees are more than likely to agree with the current conservative lot when up against corporate cases (and those regarding the imperial powers of the executive), so the real difference is with the hot-button issues such as abortion and such.

    Of course, it’s too late now, in more senses than one. Every year the dems move to the right to keep pace with the GOP, Obama has no competitor, and there’s no sighthing of a change in the status quo on the horizon.

    Given the situation, I’d focus all my efforts on getting progressives in the legislative and getting the triangulating new dems out on their asses – even if it means some victories for the GOP. I’d rather lose some battles than lose the war, and the new dems are the surest way to guarantee a GOP victory in the long-term.

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      “If it had been Dubya you’d be climbing the walls, but since it’s Obama…”

      /snark on

      Yeah, because I never had an unkind word to say about congress or the SCOTUS when Bush the dimmer was POTUS.

      /snark off

      “That’s an interesting assertion.”

      Here’s the way I see it; far too many states are RW extremist.

      This affects the electoral college, which affects the POTUS elections, and ultimately the SCOTUS. There are states where the “D” doesn’t even have to campaign (CA, NY, MA), and states where the “R” doesn’t have to campaign (TX, the bible belt, most of the Midwest). So if you want “your guy” to win the national election (screw the primaries) “he” has to win over “the center” of a small number of states that lean more right than left; FL, OH, VA, maybe CO, NV, MO, probably a couple of others.

      It also guarantees the GOP a sizable number of Senators and Congressmen. Maybe not a majority, but a near-majority, so at any time all the extreme RW needs is a handful of Senators and Congressmen from right-leaning but not yet solid “R” states. The reverse is nearly as true, but I’ve run the numbers (you saw them, so I won’t look for them now) and the Democrats need more Senators than there are “blue” states to hold a majority in the Senate. This leads to the illusion that “the Democrats are in the majority”, when in reality they have Senators like Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu…

      Do you recall the largest “group” that got slaughtered in the mid-terms? It was the blue dog dems. The red states turned them out in droves, even if they’d moved to the right to try to hold their seats.

      Please note that I’m not necessarily arguing that “the country is moving to the right”. I’m arguing that “stupid people can vote, too” and the GOP knows how to turn them out on election day. Organizing in churches to get out the phundie vote, which seems to be only concerned with those social issues you hold in disdain. Getting out the racist vote in the South. Falsely claiming “Obama’s gonna git yer guns!” to get out the gun nut vote. The list goes on, you know the drill.

      That’s what I don’t know how to “fix”; too much power in the hands of the red states, an inordinate amount of power based on population, given the electoral college and the way we elect Senators, means we really don’t live in a democracy. And how to turn those red states purple, or even blue.

      The only way I can think of to counter “the rage vote”, which goes to the GOP, is to give “liberals” a reason to go to the polls, too. If we had 100% voter turnout I’m betting the GOP would be out of power permanently. But how do you motivate a “liberal” to go to the polls when the minute you start listing things that good Democrats have done, or tried to do, the immediate response is “yeah, but it’s not enough, not my issue, not happening fast enough, and I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two evils”? Do you think the teabaggers are happy with rMoney? I don’t, but I think they’ll vote for the lesser of two evils, such is their rage that we elected the socialist from Kenya. They may not like Orrin Hatch, but they’ll put him back in office if he gets his party’s nomination. And so on.

      How do you get otherwise intelligent people to show a little patience and remember that things in the US change slowly? Social Security is a perfect example;

      “No self-respecting liberal today would support Franklin Roosevelt’s original Social Security Act… If that version of Social Security were introduced today, progressives like me would call it cramped, parsimonious, mean-spirited and even racist. Perhaps it was all those things. But it was also a start. And for 74 years we have built on that start.”

      Indeed when Social Security was first passed it left out African Americans and migrant workers. It was an imperfect piece of legislation but one that progressives built on to create the program we know today…

      Maybe we’ve lost sight of the future.

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      1. Timbuk3’s avatar

        I think I need to define what I mean by “stupid people”.

        Anyone who insists on voting against their own best interests. An example would be anyone who insists on voting for politicians spouting the latest incarnation of “trickle down” economics, which is “we can’t tax the job creators!

        We’ve tried “trickle down” since the 80′s. That data is in. It’s no longer a question. It’s failed miserably. This is a fact.

        They got their (Bush) tax cuts. Where are the jobs??? It’s wrecked the world economy.

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        1. iconoclast_555’s avatar

          “We’ve tried “trickle down” since the 80′s. That data is in. It’s no longer a question. It’s failed miserably. This is a fact!”

          Yet it is still the accepted wisdom in the US and abroad, gawd help us.

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  3. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    “The Reid Senate has been a bulwark against GOP excesses”

    It’s been, IMHO, a damper. It’s dampened both GOP excesses and progressive progress.

    “I don’t know how to fix that.”

    Ideology would help. Clear messages of where we want to go and how to get there.

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      I almost agree with “damper”, but it overlooks a fact of life; nothing remotely progressive will get through the Boehner/teabagger House of Representatives, and legislation begins in the House.

      Please don’t argue that who controls congress doesn’t matter.

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      1. iconoclast_555’s avatar

        Sometimes it takes a stand and a leather-lunged defense of issues in order to make a difference.

        Lose a vote in congress vs. make a big splash in the news? The splash is what makes later votes in congress potential winners.

        The GOP KNOW that. Why don’t we?

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  4. jo6pac’s avatar

    There’s really nothing to worry about it’s just the govt. making sure we are safe from the bad guys. Then again may be to keep the govt. safe from the citizens.

    http://publicintelligence.net/fusion-centers/

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