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April 25, 2012 in Uncategorized by Uniformityville_horror | 6 comments
This is post asking you to take time to think about it, to watch and see, to listen and think.
Tags: Frank Luntz, general semantics, political manipulation
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jo6pac on April 25, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I’ll take a chance at this, I think what luntz does and 0 are different in that luntz creates new word phrases to hide what they are talking about. 0 says what he’s talking about but most people are listening to tone and timing. If you read what he said it’s close to what he’s going to do and most people miss that.
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Timbuk3 on April 25, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Thumbs up on that one. Luntz creates professional liars.
Timbuk3 on April 25, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Not sure what you’re driving at here, uni. If it’s “Obama is a politician who’s figured out that words matter”, I’ll say I agree and “Bravo, a Democrat who gets it!”
Do you remember me posting about George Lakoff, years ago?
Americans can be morons, disinterested, too busy to pay attention, lots of things that make it important your words connect with them when you DO catch their attention.
Uniformityville_horror on April 28, 2012 at 4:35 pm
How can you not see the Obama lies as well?!
I mean, are you both of the camp that only one side of the political aisle uses deceptive semantics and deceptive word choices and that that deceptive side is only the GOP?
I know. Bush named things completely opposite of what they really were, to push agendas that were NOT in the best interest of The People. But I find Obama is not too far off from what Bush did, and is far more secretive at it than Bush was.
Govt Appeals Court-Ordered Release of Classified Document
April 27th, 2012 by Steven Aftergood
Government attorneys said yesterday that they would appeal an extraordinary judicial ruling that required the release of a classified document in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.
The document in question is a one-page position paper produced by the U.S. Trade Representative (USTR) concerning the U.S. negotiating position in free trade negotiations. It was classified Confidential and was not supposed to be disclosed before 2013.
But immediate disclosure of the document could not plausibly cause damage to the national security, said DC District Judge Richard W. Roberts in a February 29, 2012 opinion, and so its continued classification, he said, is not “logical.” He ordered the government to release the document to the Center for International Environmental Law, which had requested it under FOIA. (Court Says Agency Classification Decision is Not ‘Logical’, Secrecy News, March 2, 2012.)
This kind of independent review of the validity of classification decisions, which is something that judges normally refrain from doing, offers one way to curb galloping overclassification.
jo6pac on April 28, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Yes they both Lie only lutz changes the words to mean the same thing but 0 either flat out lies or says the words but no one is listening to the words only to voice and timing
Timbuk3 on April 28, 2012 at 11:09 pm
A politician made a promise he couldn’t keep?
I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you!
I honestly believe that Obama would sign legislation to the left of where he stands, if we gave him a congress that would pass it. And then he’d be “lying”, too.
PS – I also believe Willard E. Sketch would sign legislation to the right of where he stands, and he’s a LOT more RW than people think he is. He’s an experienced vulture capitalist. I just read an analysis of his budget proposals (sorry, didn’t bookmark it), and it’s to the right of Paul Ryan, who is to the right of George W. “worstpresidentever” Bush on economics.
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