I just want to remind you:
GitMo is still open.
NDAA expanded limitless detentions to YOU
There is more military conflicts during his years, not less.
The USA government is less accountable than ever before.
You are still eating GMOs in your morning muffins.
Those GMOs are still unlabeled!!!
Wall Street has more privacy than ever before.
No banker has been prosecuted by Holder.
Big Pharma is more control of your lives than ever.
By CPI, a dollar is worth about 73 cents.
Gas prices are 200% above what they were.
50+ of the Democratic friends are registered as “No Party Affliiation”
Tags: Obama represses.
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I am going down tomorrow to register as no party affiliation.
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If you’re an independent, why do you repeat GOP talking points?
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Are u really saying that anything NOT from the democrat party line is GOP in nature?
Come on. Get real!
I am voting for Ron Paul. I may vote for Romney if I get a wild hair.
Obama already got my vote once. It will not happen again!
SECRECY IS THE HALLMARK OF TYRANNY. HeinleinOne more thing: The Bullies for Obama come out about this time. It happened on the other board, where free speech and even free thought was frowned upon.
I remember Bush making much the same EXCUSES during his reelection campaign. This is a say-anything-do-the-opposite politics. You know why that is? Our votes no longer really count.
I have never made it a secret that I am FOR:
Limited Government (forced health insurance is outrageous intrusion into our priovate lives!! and I WILL NOT STAND FOR IT!), especially the federal government.
Government Accountability and Transparency (the Govt. darkness ever worsening with Obama)
A strong separation of state and church
Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutional Restraint
And now Term limits for local, state and federal legislators.I don’t donate to politicians.
I donate to the KC SpacePirates who are attempting to make a space elevator.
I donated hugely to ProCanDo, an abortion rights advocacy, is now Trust Women.
I donate to my friend fighting breast cancer, and refuse to donate to cancer orgs and industries.
I donate to the kid next door who wants to go to the Prom.
I donate to the Bill of Rights supporters in this town, who successfully diminished the Patriot Act reach at the local level.It is foolish to donate to politicians. They use the money so incredibly unwisely.
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“Are u really saying that anything NOT from the democrat party line is GOP in nature?”
Nope.
I’m saying those were GOP/Fox “News” talking points. Nothing more. Nothing less.
I can sort of understand someone saying they’re going to vote for Ron Paul, like I could sort of understand someone voting for Nader. The message, whether you agree with it or not, is “I’m so fed up with the two party system / the two parties that I don’t care who wins.”
But I absolutely can’t understand why anyone would vote for Metch-a-Sketch. The only reason the GOP is rallying behind him is A) they can’t stand Obama, and B) all they really need from a POTUS is someone to sign whatever heinous legislation they can pass, someone who will use a veto to block any and all progress for the poor and middle-class, and someone who will nominate RW extremists like Alito to the SCOTUS.
But an independent voting for rMoney? You gotta ‘splain that one to me, Lucy.
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Uh – most of them are not GOP talking points.
Unfortunate/uncomfortable realities might be used by the GOP, but if they’re still real….
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It is strange. I don’t even watch TV anymore, don’t read the political issues of anything that is not on this board anymore. I am a decided voter. Obama has totally proven that politician stances on any given subject are NOT honest and whole-hearted. They are merely political noise. In short, they are lies, intentional lies to get people to believe that they are for something they are really not for.
And I would NEVER watch Fox news.
So I suggest you. TIm, check that ailment you got there of hardening of the categories and take another look at things as they are. Obama lied time and time again. He promised and didn’t fulfill. He is not worth another vote.My political ideals are always being written in one place or another. I am sure you have seen them before. I find I am the only one who really lists them here.
To get my vote again, he would have had to denounce the Patriot Act. He didn’t. He reinstated it.
It is not terrorism I am so terrified of. The loss of UN Constitutional Rights scares the poopoo out of me. And Obama diminished them further, added to what Bush and the US Congress did. I simply cannot trust him. No one should.
Romney is just more of the same. I agree. More of Obama-like repressing and intrusions.
I want Paul.
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Paul can’t win.
I don’t want him, but even if I did, I’d look at the consequences of my voting for him, knowing that he can’t win.
Since you hinted that you might even vote for rMoney, I’m glad you’re voting for Paul.
PS – As far as “Obama lied time and time again” goes, I’d say “Obama was thwarted from keeping campaign promises by a GOP determined to undermine him”, but he also kept a hell of a lot of them, and the reasons he didn’t keep some of the biggest ones (like Gitmo) are well known. He tried. Congress wouldn’t let him. He’s the POTUS, not a dicatator.
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Yeah, I’ll have to agree that only “Gas prices are 200% above what they were” is a pure GOP talking point, in current use. It’s proven pure bunk, BTW.
I’m not sure if “By CPI, a dollar is worth about 73 cents” is a RW talking point, or not. I could hear Ron Paul saying it. It certainly fits the GOP narrative that Obama destroyed the economy (even though the truth is that it was Bush and the GOP controlled congress who damned near destroyed it.)
“GitMo is still open” and “NDAA expanded limitless detentions to YOU” aren’t even near misses when they’re aimed at Obama, so I didn’t really count those in the context of “if you’re still supporting Obama”.
“There is more military conflicts during his years, not less”, “The USA government is less accountable than ever before”, and “Wall Street has more privacy than ever before” seem to be complete fabrications, so I didn’t count those.
I have no idea what “You are still eating GMOs in your morning muffins” and “Those GMOs are still unlabeled!!!” has to do with Obama, so I didn’t count those.
“No banker has been prosecuted by Holder” *might* be a legitimate beef. I’d have to hear more about who should be prosecuted, what evidence is there against them, that kind of stuff, and I’d want to know why it’s preferable that Holder do it, instead of the states Attorney’s Generals, so I didn’t really count that.
“Big Pharma is more control of your lives than ever” and “50+ of the Democratic friends are registered as ‘No Party Affliiation’” just plain puzzle me because A) like I said, no one’s forcing me to take any drugs so the point seems moot, and B) what some people in Kansas do regarding voter registration doesn’t make any sort of argument, at all.
So, given the absolute truth that the GOP will repeat anything ad nauseum if they think it will hurt Obama, I knee-jerked that they were GOP talking points. My bad.
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I’ll be voting for Obama, and encouraging others to do the same. I’ve already donated a small amount of money to his campaign.
I agree that he’s not perfect. I disagree that he’s done nothing for me, the middle class, women, to end torture, or to end the wars that Bush started.
Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive.
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Obama had been dead for over five years. You believe the official story. Good for you. Your repressive government loves you.
But I understand that you want to believe what you have been told. It is a far easier life to let people tell you what they world is like, instead of going out there and finding it out on your own.
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For the record;
“NDAA expanded limitless detentions to YOU”
For a POTUS to refuse to sign a National Defense Appropriations Act would be not only unprecedented, but massively destructive to the economy and the people who depend on the millions of jobs currently provided by the MIC. Dismantling the MIC is not going to happen overnight, unless an EXTREMELY reckless POTUS takes office, and the pain it would inflict on ordinary working people is almost unimaginable. Think 50% unemployment, for starters. Obama signed it with the following statement; “I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation.” So, the statement is untrue as long as Obama is POTUS, but may be true under his successor in 2012 or 2016.
Congress passed it into law. Where’s your righteous ire towards congress? Where’s the concern that rMoney, the only other possible next POTUS, might actually put it into action? Where’s the drive to improve Congress, get rid of the people who passed this affront to America?
“There is more military conflicts during his years, not less.”
Not addressable. Unsupported by the facts currently in evidence.
“The USA government is less accountable than ever before.”
Not addressable. Unsupported by the facts currently in evidence.
“You are still eating GMOs in your morning muffins.
Those GMOs are still unlabeled!!!”Basic High School Civics lesson; congress passes laws to label muffins, not the POTUS. See “Righteous Concern” in addressing NDAA, above.
“Wall Street has more privacy than ever before.”
Dodd-Frank isn’t perfect, but legislation rarely is. Obama had to use a recess appointment to get the head of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau into his office, due to the destructiveness of the GOP. This statement is unsupported by the facts.
“No banker has been prosecuted by Holder.”
I’m gonna give you this one. I don’t think Obama (or Holder) are perfect. But it seems fair to ask what you think the only other candidate with ANY CHANCE AT ALL to win the WH, Willard E. Sketch, would do to prosecute bankers.
“Big Pharma is more control of your lives than ever.”
Not addressable. Unsupported by the facts currently in evidence. No one is making me take drugs.
“By CPI, a dollar is worth about 73 cents.”
Indecipherable without a frame of reference. Compared to 1800, the dollar is worth about 3 cents. Is that “good”, or “bad”? If your answer is “bad”, I’ll send you my address. You can send your iPad, smart phone, refrigerator, indoor plumbing [...] to me.
“Gas prices are 200% above what they were.”
Sane economists agree that Presidents have little effect on gas prices.
“50+ of the Democratic friends are registered as ‘No Party Affliiation’.”
You live in KS. Sam Brownback, one of the most bat-fuck crazy Senators in my lifetime, is your governor. If your friends can’t learn from that, I don’t think I want to learn anything from them about “how to succeed in politics”.
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Are u a member of the CIA? Or the FBI?
You certainly sound like one.
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LOL
That cracked me up!
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I call the ks GOP party to ask if they need money. Of course they say yes. So I say, not a problem. The check will be written when they officially give up the abortion issue and get religion out of politics. I ask if they need my name and number so they can notify me when they get it done as I mandate. They don’t want my name and number.
I am a traditional GOP voter. Were u ever under the illusion that I was democrat?
On iPad.
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I gave that one a thumbs up. I know it’s true because you’ve posted something similar, before.
I knew you were GOP in the past, but didn’t know if you still considered yourself to be, now that the party has left any sane “base” behind.
I could probably find things I’d agree with Ike or Tricky Dick on, maybe even Saint Ronnie or George the First, if I looked. But since Bush, the GOP has been a party of anti-American extremists with virtually zero sanity or tolerance for anyone who doesn’t THINK in lockstep with their most extreme members. I’m not at all surprised you’d switch your registration to Indy. If I was registered GOP, I would, too.
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The greenies are just as anti-American as the GOP.
To every action, there is an opposite reaction.The left have their extremes.
Oh wait, CERN has determined that the SUN is the sole cause of global warming. Oh DOH!!!
How off-base was Gore? I don’t know. Never saw the movie because it was never ever presented with the movie taking some money from me. I was not wiling to buy an inaccurate mind-set. Simply not worth the costs to see it. And it was based on initial research that was faulty, and, ifyou wanted to view that research, you cannot find anywhere now.I went to a meeting on the condition of the Ogalala Aquifer, which goes right under our land. The meeting was in a place where the participants, all of them but me, were hundreds of miles removed from the issue. Yet they want to governmentize the water wells that I OWN!! That is plain shitty and Unconstitutional. They wanted to take away my water rights to my property. That is totally Unconstititional.
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“CERN has determined that the SUN is the sole cause of global warming.”
I sincerely doubt the veracity of this statement.
“They wanted to take away my water rights to my property.”
I hope they didn’t succeed. That’d be shitty. I’m not sure about “unconstitutional”, because the constitution allows eminent domain, but then again I’d support an amendment overturning eminent domain. I’ve never understood why it’s there.
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Thanks.
“it actually says nothing about a possible cosmic-ray effect on clouds and climate” is a long ways from “the SUN is the sole cause of global warming.”
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Of course it doesn’t.
Have you been reading about the multiple studies about the rw mind set?
They clutch at straws to support their cognitive dissonance.
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I’m not familiar with the studies you refer to, no.
But voting against your own best interests remains a mystery to me.
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Then why on earth are you voting for Obama, for a vote for him is indeed against your best interest? He has further and greatly diminished freedoms and expanded the government reach into your own private lives. He did it all to protect you from strange boogey man that barely exists in this world, and for sure, one that none of us has ever really SEEN, like that of the scary being under your bed when you were a child.
But hey, maybe you like being radiated and frisked when you fly, like some TSA Checkpoint Charlie, in The Occupied Territories of The great unFree USA. There is no accounting for strange preferences.
SOrry, I think somewhere it does indeed imply that it solar activity does drive global temps. Try another article on it.
And I am not right wing. I am a Freedom addict, hooked enough to die for the addiction.
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I don’t have cognitive dissonance on this. I use half the natural gas than those around me, have passive solar, a wood-buring stove, and go out of my way to recycle.
I like having less people and agencies with their hands in my pockets. It is getting pretty full on those pockets and now highly uncomfortable. (I curse the Health Bill of Obamas! and I will continue to curse it until it fails completely)
I just don’t let people I don’t trust try and tell me what I am suppose to think. People like Gore. And all the green-oriented people.
I don’t even like the sustainable cult here because you cannot say anything that some alpha sustainable male won’t bully and bluster against, as if he could really get his woody up anyway, as if anyone would pay attention to it if he did.
Gods, everything in this world is about needing personal validations and personal ego support.
Live and let live is dead in this society, isn’t it?
I planted around five trees last year, and more bushes than I can count. How many did you all plant?
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-12/uoc–ccb121211.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-01/ufsp-css010509.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/acs-tko072308.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-08/uoia-tat080106.php
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1998-09/UoIa-SHTL-040998.php
And there is so much more on trees!
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GitMo is still open.
We’re at war. We have POWs. Guantanamo is a POW camp.
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NDAA expanded limitless detentions to YOU
No expansion. We could already be detained as a POW until the end of the war.
The NDAA was just political theater, allowing politicians who wanted to cast a pro-war vote an opportunity to do so, and allowing politicians who wanted to cast an anti-war vote the same opportunity to do so.
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There is more military conflicts during his years, not less.
Someone has to keep the bad guys in line.
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You are still eating GMOs in your morning muffins.
I hope so. They hold great promise to improve nutrition.
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Wall Street has more privacy than ever before.
True that Obama is a good friend of Wall Street.
I don’t think there is anything necessarily wrong with that, but he shouldn’t demonize Republicans for being pro-Wall-Street, when he is even more so.
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No banker has been prosecuted by Holder.
Doubtful they committed any crime.
It was terrible the way they drove people out of office for trying to regulate derivatives and rein in predatory lending, but they did so using tried-and-true democracy.
Next time hopefully the people won’t listen to the banks when they demonize the regulators.
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By CPI, a dollar is worth about 73 cents.
Likely a good thing.
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Gas prices are 200% above what they were.
That is because worldwide demand for gasoline has increased beyond available supplies, so a lot of US-refined gasoline is sold overseas instead of going to the US market.
Less supply to the US market means higher prices.
Not Obama’s fault. That’s just the marketplace in action.
If that Canadian oil pipeline across the US gets built, it might slack the foreign demand and result in more US gasoline staying in the US.
EDIT: Then again, it might not. I can picture OPEC cutting their output to counter the new pipeline and keep prices high if it is built.
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You don’t remember how oil SPECULATORS havevmanipulated the oil price?
The supply/demand curves are no longer useful with all the market manipulation that is still allow to happen, the worst of it during the Obama years!Regulate, regulate, regulate.
Regulate business. DO NOT REGULATE THE PEOPLE!
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Oh, BTW, I will be voting for Obama. I’ve already donated a small amount of cash to his campaign, and expect I’ll donate more.
Here’s a ranking of Presidents during my lifetime, best to worst. I won’t count Kennedy, because I was too young to understand when he was POTUS. I considered leaving LBJ off for the same reason.
Obama
Carter
Clinton
Johnson (could go ahead of Clinton, I was pretty young when he was POTUS)
Nixon
Ford (tie with HW)
George HW Bush (tie with Ford)The last two are so far from “best”, and “worst” doesn’t approach how heinous they were, but…
Reagan (tie with W)
W (tie with Reagan)If Willard E. Sketch is elected I’ll rank him behind Reagan and W. As you can see from my rankings, IMO the GOP POTUSs get worse over time.
I’d be interested in how other people rank them, as long as everyone understands this is my opinion, and it will be your opinion, so it can’t really be rebutted. Argued about, maybe, but I’m not likely to make any major changes. Go back further than I did, or not as far.
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Ummm…
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“Obama has no record to run on so he’s out on the trail resorting to the same tactics he campaigned against in 2008,” Kirsten Kukowski, a spokeswoman for Republican National Committee, said Wednesday night. “He has a litany of broken promises so what does he do? Lay blame, make excuses, run on gimmicks and engage in divisive politics. Four years later we know the candidate of ‘Hope and Change’ is now ‘Hype and Blame.’”
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OK, it’s Huffpo. So sue me. Does anyone doubt that the Romneybot wouldn’t be worse than Obama at spying on American citizens?
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No, but I hope he won’t.
You know, HOPE, the thing that I once had for Obama but lost, lost, lost.
I have the app for Huff Post
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Hmm! Wonder what this song is all about?
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Reply to http://www.timbuk3.com/discuss/?p=8042&cpage=1#comment-10419, which has reached the nesting limit.
Quoting:
“I am a Freedom addict”
I’ll do my best to not make this personal. I’m not attacking you. I’m not mocking you. But I’m doing my level best to destroy the argument as being anything remotely “American”, or “constitutional”.
These days, when I hear the word “freedom”, including when I hear it from Dr. Paul, I interpret it as “I want to do whatever selfish thing I want to do, and I DARE you to stop me.”
“I see this “I want the ‘freedom’ to discriminate against blacks, gays, liberals…”, as indistinguishable from “because the constitution gives me the “freedom” to” be an asshole.
I’m convinced that conservatives hate the 14th amendment; that we’re ALL equal under the law. Conservatives want “special” status. Just like “the framers” claimed for themselves.
The original constitution was a compromise that allowed slavery. The now “holy” “Framers” agreed to allow slavery, because without that compromise they knew they couldn’t cobble together a coalition that would pass the Constitution.
You can’t yell “fire!” in a crowded theater.
Cops (legally, I’m not arguing that they don’t do it) can’t arrest you for filming them, or for refusing to answer questions.
You can’t own a slave.
You can’t shoot liberals on sight.
You don’t have “FREEDOM”, much less the right to define that word, nor should you.
Do you want the “freedom” to shoot bloggers who disagree with you? How about the “freedom” to shoot niggers who’d dare to marry a white woman?
There are limits to “freedom”.
It’s a great word. Let’s be honest, though, about what you’re asking for.
You want the “freedom” to live above the law. You’re claiming it as a right of citizenship.
I disagree.
You may be pissed off about someone stealing your water rights, for example. I support your “pissed offedness”, to coin a phrase.
But, it’s entirely constitutional.
At some point in life you have to decide. “Do I want to live within, or outside of, society?”
I can’t answer that for you.
I can tell you that I choose to live within society. Great change only happens by “revolution”, which ain’t gonna happen, or by working from within to create that change.
Here’s the rub:
I don’t disagree with anyone’s right to complain about our current government.
I disagree that advocating for sure loser ideas will help advance the liberal cause.
Mitch E. Sketch will win KS and MS.
Obama will win CA and DE.I don’t understand why we’re arguing about this.
I’d like to see a more liberal congress sending legislation to whichever POTUS the American people in their wisdom (/snark off if that’s EVER been true) send to represent us.
Romneybot, who will win if the “Obama sucks” crowd gets their way, will sign the most heinous legislation a GOP house would send him. Obama will veto (some of) it. Metch E. Sketch will appoint RW judges who will undo everything you seem to value.
But in the end, arguing about this is a waste of time.
Either Obama or the current POTUS, RW passing legislation, RW SCOTUS judge nominating, Romney will win the POTUS.
I want to argue about congress.
The two parties are NOT the same. There are no “liberals’ in the GOP. There are no “moderates” in the GOP.
The Democrats are a “big tent”. The GOP only allows John Birchers.
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