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May 11, 2012 in Uncategorized by Timbuk3 | 27 comments
While the GOP is just plain nuts.
The Big Flip
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jo6pac on May 11, 2012 at 10:06 am
I think you need to expand a little on what you’re really saying. If you agree with the below statement than I guess you have crossed over to the other side;)
“The Democrats … have become the more status-quo oriented, centrist protectors of government, willing to revamp programs and trim retirement and health benefits in order to maintain the government’s central commitments.”
Demodogs have become the problem and not the future.
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iconoclast_555 on May 11, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Nice observation, Jo.
I wasn’t at all impressed by the mainstream article, fwiw.
Timbuk3 on May 11, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I make a post about my grief over the loss of a beloved family pet, and 2 days later there’s one comment, by icy, that could be interpreted as agreement with my observation about heaven and pets. Other than that, no condolences, no kind words, just crickets.
This morning I make a post which seems to align with my perception of the prevailing view around here, that the democrats are fairly centrist while the GOP is far, far right (and therefore we need a real “liberal” party), and within hours it’s jumped on not once, but twice.
FWIW, and frankly it gets harder and harder for me to care about clarifying, I largely agree with what Jo quoted, above, and this;
“the Republican Party has become something it really has not been since the Civil War: a radical insurgency bent on upending the prevailing practices of the national government seemingly at any cost.”
“the Democrats these days have turned into the stewards—beleaguered defenders of the government and country we have evolved into.”
“The Republicans were never much for labor unions, social-welfare programs, or income taxes”
“Conservatives are no longer, as William F. Buckley Jr. famously put it in the founding credo of National Review, simply standing “athwart history, yelling Stop.” They are, instead, eager to roll history back, and are prepared to destroy the national village in order to save it. Privatize Social Security and Medicare! Eliminate inheritance taxes! Abolish the Federal Reserve! Once, ideas like these would have been sideshows under the Republican Big Top. Now they are in the center ring.
The radical element is now so firmly in control that the Republican Party of 2012 not only has been deeply reluctant to nominate Mitt Romney, a more conservative nominee by some measures than George W. Bush, but would not have nominated Reagan, Nixon, Eisenhower, or, in all probability, Abraham Lincoln himself”
“Democrats, for their part, have traveled in virtually the opposite direction. From the New Deal through World War II to the Great Society, the Democrats were the party of steady forward movement, of Big Ideas and Big Shoulders, the party that licked the Depression, won World War II, took the lead in creating the postwar international security establishment that would fight the Cold War, and aspired to fix the most daunting economic and social problems here at home.”
“In Congress, George W. Bush got a good number of Democratic votes for his signature tax cuts, but nearly 10 years later Barack Obama received not a single Republican vote for his health-care initiative. An analysis by National Journal of roll-call votes in the 111th Congress, which ended last year, found that, in the Senate, the most conservative Democrat was slightly more liberal than the most liberal Republican, and nearly the same was true in the House.”
And so on.
A few things are clearer to me, now, about those who post here. One is that they absolutely, rabidly despise Democrats, ALL Democrats, including anyone who would vote for them, stand up for them, or even notice when they do something that helps all of us (and have no reasonable alternative other than “yelling louder” and being completely out of power and letting the radicalized GOP achieve all their goals, and to hell with anyone who gets hurt.)
Have fun standing on the outside looking in, guys, ’cause that’s all you’re ever gonna do. You’ll never change a thing. You’re completely powerless and always will be.
iconoclast_555 on May 11, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Timbuk, sorry about your cat.
I’m not a cat lover by a longshot,Toxoplasmosis aside. Nevertheless, I’m sorry for your loss.
“This morning I make a post which seems to align with my perception of the prevailing view around here, that the democrats are fairly centrist while the GOP is far, far right (and therefore we need a real “liberal” party), and within hours it’s jumped on not once, but twice.”
Sorry, but it’s not news. The dems are not centrists IMHPOV, they’re center-right if not outright right (alliteration galore). We’ve seen dozens of posts quoting similar POV’s – and many of them have been more insightful than the article refered to. In fact, I don’t see that US politics have become polarized, I see one party being an extreme and the other being a Caspar Milquetoast in response. So the article, from my POV, actually supports the rw pov.
“A few things are clearer to me, now, about those who post here. ”
Why on earth? It seems that you’re having a tantrum because some of us didn’t applaud a piece of pablum when more fundamental POV’s on the same subject have been expressed ad nauseum.
I can appreciate that the article might have touched your buttons more than others because of the way that similar POV’s have been expressed before. But the fact remains that it’s not exactly “news”.
“Have fun standing on the outside looking in, guys, ’cause that’s all you’re ever gonna do. You’ll never change a thing. You’re completely powerless and always will be.”
Have you considered that by standing inside looking out, all you do is to allow the pendulum to shift further and further to the right? Sheeit, we’ve lived through (as adults) perhaps from Carter to Bubba, and might have some memories of LBJ.
Has the DNC moved in the right direction?
Think about it.
iconoclast_555 on May 11, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Timbuk3 on May 11, 2012 at 11:47 pm
This isn’t just aimed at you, Alvy. It’s not the first time I’ve heard this, and you’re not the first or only person who’s said it.
“Think about it.”
This is an ineffective, insulting argument.
Do you honestly believe that this statement would make Michelle Bachmann or Sarah Palin pause and wonder, “Gee, did I think about this enough?”
Let me aim it at “you”. “You know, that core conviction you have? Well, this obscure blog says otherwise. THINK ABOUT IT.”
Do you feel insulted, or do you pause and wonder, “Gee, maybe I should take that obscure blog’s advice and think about this some more.”
If you want to win an argument, you need to be human, and treat your “adversary” as an equal. “I know you’ve considered your position, but have you thought about THIS?” at the very least.
The older I get, the more I realize that spitting on people isn’t the way to win them over.
Now teabaggers I’ll spit on. I can’t win them over. They’re helpless ideologues, convinced by others and their own sycophantic need to “belong” to some group that hates “others” to think about anything. Hate begets hate.
But spitting on a potential ally seems incredibly naive.
Just my thoughts. Take them or leave them. We’re all adults, here.
“Have you considered that by standing inside looking out, all you do is to allow the pendulum to shift further and further to the right?
You completely misunderstand what I’m saying.
I haven’t made myself clear.
Having power wouldn’t shift the pendulum any way but MY way.
We’re looking at this from different perspectives.
So, you’re completely wrong about it.
Consider this; if you and I are rivals, and I shift my focus and succeed in electing TWO more congressmen who think mostly like I do, and you lose those two seats to my “impure” candidates because you continue to focus on an agenda of opposing anyone who’s not “pure” in agreement with you, who won? Which way did the pendulum move?
I learned this lesson a long time ago. If you want to change anything, the first and only step is to “get inside” and gain the power to do it.
Think about it.
Oralloy on May 12, 2012 at 10:57 am
Other than that, no condolences, no kind words, just crickets.
I was sort of at a loss for words. I still am.
My non-response isn’t from lack of caring. I just can’t come up with anything adequate.
Timbuk3 on May 15, 2012 at 8:43 pm
“I just can’t come up with anything adequate.”
I disagree. I think you did.
jo6pac on May 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm
1. I never comment on Death.
2. You are wrong about part of this.
I’ll have you know that I and people like me will be on the inside and looking out. Then it will be through the wire fence surrounding the fema camp I’m in and may be you could send me a post card once in awhile;) That will make me powerless I agree.
On another note, a word of advice from someone who also hated the last 2 yrs of my job and knew there was going to be a day of outsourcing coming my way. The goal is to never lose your sense of humor when you do they win. Its easy try simple things first, mine was when greeted by co workers and at one time it could’ve an office 2 to 500 when asked how I was doing my answer was its Another Wonderful Day in Paradise or Life Couldn’t Be Any Better. It always brought a smile or laugh from said co-workers because we were all going through the same thing at different levels of living hell on the job. That smile or laugh just for a short moment was worth telling the lie that we all knew was just that a lie. Please remember it has to be said with a smile from your Heart or it doesn’t work.
Have a Great Weekend
Oh I know one Demo I like Barbara Lee from Oakland, Calif. there’s a few others
Timbuk3 on May 11, 2012 at 5:51 pm
“I never comment on Death.”
I can respect that. I d/won’t include you in the following comment. I only note that there wasn’t ONE comment, not ONE “thumbs up”. Crickets.
I wasn’t trying to “shame anyone”, or saying “you don’t like me”, or even more absurdly “you owe me a ‘my condolences’.”
It was an observation on lack of empathy. What I failed to do was complete the thought, and I’m not sure I’m ready to share it now, but it lead to a hypothesis.
I’ve known for YEARS now that “there’s no difference between” LW nihilists and RW nihilists. (I refer to definition 1, here.) Teabaggers on the right, the “I didn’t get my rainbow farting unicorn fast enough so let’s burn the fucker down” people on “the left”.
I don’t, BTW, think the words “liberal” and “conservative” have any real meaning any more, but for the sake of argument let’s say “liberal” means “fighting to change the status quo” and “conservative” means “fighting to keep the status quo. Fact is, under that definition, I’m “liberal” on some things (gay marriage, socialized medicine) and “conservative” on other things (keeping SS and medicare as they are, continued funding of planned parenthood).
Back to the hypothesis; I couldn’t quite put my finger on what it was about the groups who are NEVER satisfied with government. No matter what happens, it’s never any damned good. I tried “greed”, but doesn’t really fit. I can be “greedy”, in that (for example) I get angry when “sin taxes” are passed that hurt me. I’ll certainly take a raise if it’s offered, etc. And, I suspect, so would most nihilists. “Selfishness”, the same thing; maybe it describes the behavior, but it doesn’t really get to the root cause of the selfishness.
Then it hit me; nihilists lack, or have an extremely diminished capacity, to feel empathy.
It fits every scenario I’ve come up with, in the past few hours. Remember the attacks on SCHIP, which is “socialized medicine for children”? “Liberals” were outraged, because they didn’t want to see all those kids lose access to healthcare. Baggers were all for it, because it put more money in their pockets and they don’t give a shit about someone else’s kids. And the fact that Democrats stood up for it didn’t mean a thing to LW nihilists, because it didn’t affect them, so it’s not evidence that “Democrats are good”, it’s dismissed as “so what, they didn’t (fill in the blank).”
Military spending? LW nihilists and “liberals” are all for cutting it. The nihilists because the money can be used on programs that benefit them, and “liberals” because the money can be used on programs that benefit the poor and middle class. RW nihilists live in pants-shitting fear of “the other” (and if you’re in their church, from their shitty small town, drink at their bar, etc, you’re “the other”) and are all for spending every red cent we bring in on expensive weapons. And, BTW, “fuck you liberals, if you don’t want to pay for it”.
Obamacare gave millions of Americans up to 26 years old access to paid healthcare. LW nihilist response? “Meh. It doesn’t affect me. I wanted socialized medicine NOW.” RW nihilist response? “Meh. That doesn’t affect me. Obamacare is a step towards socialism which is a step towards ‘free stuff’ for ‘the others’.”
“Spying on Americans” is easy. Other than the “shitting their pants in fear” baggers, literally no one thinks this is OK. We may differ on what we think we can or should do about it, but only baggers say “hey, I’m not doing anything wrong. They can spy all they want to if it keeps ‘the others’ from taking my shit.”
An interesting observation; as long as Bush was POTUS “liberals” were united around opposition to him. As soon as he was gone and “liberals” held a (fictional, completely non-existent, it was a DEMOCRATIC majority that include POS’s like Blanche Lincoln, Joe Lieberpuke, Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, etc.) the internecine warfare began. Liberals were at each other over everything (probably starting with the PUMAs and Hillary/Obama wars). Does lack of/diminished empathy work as a causative here? I’d argue it does. “I don’t care about your gay rights, I want my public option.” “I don’t care about your right to a medical procedure, I want rich fuckers taxed more.” “I don’t care about your (blank), I want my (blank).” Telling someone you “don’t care” about their cause isn’t a “liberal” or “conservative” thing. Even “conservatives” can care about other people, they just disagree about how best to do it. It’s the LW and RW nihilists, never satisfied until they get what THEY want (and they generally want a LOT of things, and they want them NOW) who think like that. They’re just pretending to be “liberal” or “conservative”.
A corollary hypothesis; Those who are politically engaged (and yelling at each other on blogs doesn’t count) have empathy towards others. They’re not attending rallies against war, or going door-to-door to get out the vote on election day, because they think they’ll end up richer, or get more “free shit” from the government. They do it because they believe that one cause, one amendment, one candidate will make life better for everyone (including them).
And a final corollary is, at best, flawed. I suspect many “in the center” are just too busy keeping a roof over their heads and meager meals in their belly to pay much attention, but here it is; “centrist voters” also lack empathy. I don’t see any reason to go into detail because it seems likely to be wrong, but I’ll put it out there.
Final thought. Years ago I worked for an answering service. We took calls for, among other customers, doctors. One psychiatrist had a voice just like a very good friend of mine, so I felt like I knew him and things got more “conversational” between us. One day I asked him if half of the people in America were dysfunctional. He replied it was “much higher than that”, IIRC more like 80%. Lack of/diminished empathy is certainly dysfunctional. That would explain why such a small minority are actually involved (other than yelling at each other on blogs) in politics. “That” being “what’s in it for me, because I sure as hell don’t care what you need or want?”
“I know one Demo I like”
Be careful saying that on this board.
“Have a Great Weekend”
Thanks. You too.
iconoclast_555 on May 11, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Does it suck when your POV isn’t shared?
OK, that wasn’t called for. But that post sounded like a tantrum.
You and I, and I am sure, you and I and others, have different points of view. We all place more or less emphasis on aspects of the body politic.
Obamacare, for instance. It is certainly good that many people can now be covered that otherwise would not be. From one POV, that’s excellent. But from another, from mine, for example – living in a country with a real welfare state and with a healthy fear of neoliberal economics – the idea that mandatory private insurance sucks the big one. And from a constitutional POV, the idea that I am forced to pay a private insurance company, ruled by the profit motive, sucks. And the precedent that such a quite possibly unconstitutional law is on the books , sucks even more.
Since you’re so big on observations, isn’t it interesting that when Dubya perpetrated excesses you went over the roof, but when the current admin perpetrated or perpetuated the same, you look the other way?
Gimme a break already.
Look, I understand your POV. The GOP is unadulterated evil, and the DNC is evil with a couple of adulterations. I dig that you see the GOP as the enemy.
I, however, have become immune to the false dichotomy. Sure, the GOP is, as you say, unadulterated evil. But my experience of so many election cycles show that choosing a lesser evil only empowers the greater evil, and sooner or later what we used to find unacceptable becomes the only option to what is now the greatest evil extreme.
Otherwise, I don’t know what your rant is all about.
You’re a cool dude in any case. And I’m sorry about your cat.
Timbuk3 on May 11, 2012 at 7:25 pm
It’s not a tantrum, it’s a hypothesis and two corollaries.
Shoot them down.
Although I’ve probably already shot the third down, myself. Lack of time due to the shitty economy 40+ years of Reaganomics has wrought seems more likely than dysfunction.
I mean, I can see why you might take it personally, but the fact is it happened the way I said it did, and that’s what got me to thinking. Regardless of how the thought originated, “lack of empathy” seems to explain everything I’ve observed about left and right wing nihilism, the “let it burn” mentality.
Timbuk3 on May 11, 2012 at 8:12 pm
“Although I’ve probably already shot the third down, myself. Lack of time due to the shitty economy 40+ years of Reaganomics has wrought seems more likely than dysfunction.”
After giving it a bit more thought, perhaps there are two types of “centrist voters”. Those who are relatively well off financially and also lack empathy, and those who have been severely hurt by years of Reaganomics and have to choose between focusing on politics or barely scraping by. That seems like a more reasonable corollary. However, if you find me a reasonably well-off “centrist voter” who has empathy for others (e.g. doesn’t believe “he who dies with the most toys wins” trumps “I left the world a better place”), you’ve shot it down.
iconoclast_555 on May 11, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Timbuk3 on May 11, 2012 at 11:23 pm
“word of advice”
I meant to comment on this, and will in a moment, but first something else I forgot. The main post was made this morning, a few minutes before I left for work. The point wasn’t to start the discussion that followed, but to reaffirm my POV that the GOP is batshit fucking crazy, now. And, I suppose, to acknowledge that the Dems can be, as Alvy put it, milquetoasts, although I’d also have to argue that defending the gains we’ve made since the Great Depression probably isn’t as glamorous as gaining new ground.
At any rate, I left work at lunchtime. Walked home, ate lunch, cleaned my apartment (because one fringe benefit is I get to set my own hours), then checked the board right before I had to get in the car to beat rush hour and drive home. In short, I didn’t put a lot of effort into either the post, or the first reply.
I did find it striking that the post about Thomas sat here from Tuesday until Thursday night without a comment or a thumbs up, mostly because I cross-posted it. On one blog 2 “friends” commented in a reassuring way. On the other, a “liberal activist” blog, 15 total strangers had kind, comforting words for me, and dozens more gave it a “thumbs up”. But it wasn’t bitterness or anything like that I was feeling. I wouldn’t dishonor Thomas’ memory that way, by using him to make some cheap political point. It was more, I’m not sure, maybe “bemusement”, or “puzzlement”? What I’m trying to say is, it set the wheels turning about the apparent empathy of the total strangers on a “liberal activist” blog, and how does that compare to folks who really don’t like, trust, or see any value in our government any more (and that’s not hyperbole, it’s just the way it seems to be, here on this blog).
Empathy and political groupings. Is there a connection, and does it explain why I see teabaggers and “the dissatisfied left”, PUMAs, if you will, as so similar?
At any rate, regarding your advice, I have two stories.
I was sitting in my boss’s office, meeting about something with the door closed. There was a knock. My boss said “come in”, and a guy stuck his head in, said sorry to bother you but … gave him a brief message, then closed the door. My boss said “that’s the guy that brought me on board here”, to which I replied “and you’re still on speaking terms?”
In between guffaws, my boss said “that was a good one.”
The other is, virtually everyone I work with agrees I’m in the hardest stretch of what’s a really hard job. They keep assuring me it’ll get easier in June or July, when I’ll have been there about a year and a half. So now, whenever anyone asks me “How’s it going” I reply “I’m livin’ the dream.”
That always brings a smile to their faces, because they’ve done what I’m doing now.
So, I haven’t lost my sense of humor. I’m tired, sometimes. People say to me, often enough that I notice it, “I don’t know how you do it, Timbuk”, but I have a great home to go to on weekends. Where, this weekend, I’m going to plant tomatoes, mow the lawn, do laundry, stock up on groceries, roast coffee, and on Saturday night drink beer and grill steak.
As a character from Slaughterhouse 5 who’s name I can’t remember said, “It could be worse.”
icy on May 12, 2012 at 9:45 am
Several days ago, elsewhere, many people I know were groaning about North Carolina passing Amendment 1, banning gay marriage.
I found myself in the unexpected position of saying that, while I’ve long supported gay marriage, the North Carolina fight crossed the line & lost my support.
This was due to Bill Clinton’s robocall on the issue, in which he said Amendment 1 could “hurt women”. Defending gay marriage on a gender-specific basis is conceptually twisted. When I did a little research, I disliked what I found.
Here’s what Clinton was asserting: When gay marriage is banned, a side-effect is that the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) no longer applies to co-habitating-but-unmarried straight women, and so the men who stalk and abuse them walk free.
The problem with that argument is that VAWA rivals the drug war as the law most oppressive to our citizenry, while providing NO actual benefit to those it was designed to protect. The harms of No Gay Marriage are real: child custody issues, hospital visitation, money issues. But those harms are dwarfed by the wrongful-arrest/ imprisonment/ conviction -machine called VAWA.
I am not a social conservative. North Carolina’s social conservatives believe they stand for ‘protecting women’. They don’t like it when someone Cries Wolf, falsely summoning their chivalry.
When Bill Clinton, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and others explicitly tied Amendment 1 to VAWA and a ‘protect the women’ false alarm– they invited rebuke at the polls & deserved every-bit of the defeat they received. (As did Obama’s too-little-too-late support of gay marriage.)
I write all this now– in reference to end of the The Big Flip article, where it’s noted that the most conservative Democrat in Congress now votes ‘left’ of the most liberal Republican. No moderates remain to form ‘connective tissue’ between the extremes.
I am wondering if =I= now reside where such connective tissue would-have-been. And if the polarization has left me unrepresented.
Timbuk3 on May 15, 2012 at 9:17 pm
You’re definitely to the left of Ben Nelson.
The reason you’re unrepresented is because politicians need lots of money to get elected and re-elected, and you don’t have enough.
iconoclast_555 on May 12, 2012 at 11:04 am
“And if the polarization has left me unrepresented.”
Right on with your comments, but I think we were unrepresented before the putative polarization.
FWIW, sorry about yesterday, I fell off the wagon and wasn’t exactly myself. My only (valid, IMHO) point was that the article didn’t exactly say anything new. And that I’m sorry for Timbuk’s loss.
“This is an ineffective, insulting argument.”
No, it’s a question. Not an argument. Has the DNC been moving in the right direction since LBJ? That’s the crux of things.
The GOP has gone over the edge, and the DNC follows it to the point of going over what we used to think of as being over the edge. For me, this has to stop.
It’s not a nihilist thing. I don’t want things to burn, but it seems that SOMETHING has to happen for a change, since “permanent campaign mode” and the marketing of politics don’t bode well for a return to the right direction.
I am somewhat optimistic about things hereabouts since the defeat of Sarkoma in France. Hollande’s rhetoric -seems- to point towards keynesian economics and might turn into a counterbalance of “market rules”. It remains to be seen if it will turn into something.
Meanwhile, I’m off to Sol, to see if the 15-M movement can get some leverage. That’s the origin of OWS, if you didn’t know it. It’s based on the idea that democracy is losing its legitimacy since it has ceased to represent the electorate.
Timbuk3 on May 15, 2012 at 8:48 pm
“I am somewhat optimistic about things hereabouts since the defeat of Sarkoma in France.
I’ve been wondering what you think about what’s happening in Europe. I read a story about Greece, today, and the gist of it was that once Greece leaves the Euro they’ll go through a year or so of rough times, then could come roaring back, freed of the BS austerity that was being forced on them.
It looks to me like the conservatives got their asses handed to them, the people finally seeing through their austerity bullshit. But, I’m also thinking that the RW will find some way to keep “the unwashed masses” from seeing that the end of Europe’s austerity movement will lead to world economic recovery. Either find a way to throw a wrench in the works, or control the media, maybe.
The one thing right-wingers everywhere fear is liberals regaining power, because then people will see, again, that liberal policies work.
Timbuk3 on May 12, 2012 at 11:09 pm
I’m not ignoring you guys. It was another busy day, and I expect tomorrow to be busier. It’s a 99% probability that I’ll take a day of leave on Monday, just to get everything done “this weekend”.
The best news, so far; Our tomatoes are planted!
jo6pac on May 13, 2012 at 10:43 am
I’ll be planting this week also but right now busy harvesting potatoes and turning them into stew for frozen meals later in the yr.
Timbuk3 on May 15, 2012 at 8:49 pm
For some reason that stew sounds REALLY good.
I’m gonna go see what I’ve got in the fridge…
Uniformityville_horror on May 18, 2012 at 5:45 pm
My nanking cherries are copious this year. They started ripening in the north yard before they did the in the south. This is a strange microenvironment by the river, two weeks late on everything due to the water temps in the area. Even in the yard, the closer to the river, the later in the spring season. Been here since 1999. I am learning a thing or two, I guess.
I also kept my chard from last year, … dug them up and put them in passive solar just because I was curious. Once in the garden, they are really cranking out the chard now, while the chard I planted by seeds lingers in little states. Did the kale that way too.
OMG (one of the rare times I use that strange set of initials), I just bought my son guitar hero. I love this game! He really wanted Rock Band 3. But as a mom, I simply get confused about all this game stuff and guitar hero was on sale. So, I suppose he will have them both eventually. I may well be playing with this one. I bought it for him today because his teacher told me he is the top score in his class on math and is doing math several grades above his age. Hope he is as good at science, which we didn’t discuss, but certainly he is exposed to it all the time. After checking his notebooks last night, he is also good at English and vocabulary as well. I tell him I don’t care about any grades he gets other than math, science and english. I told him he doesn’t have to be an honor student. I merely insist he exceed “good” at math, science and English. He has also been told he is to be fluent in two languages by the end of high school or the early years of college, probably Spanish and Chinese.
Uniformityville_horror on May 18, 2012 at 10:59 pm
We now have Rock Band too.
Timbuk3 on May 19, 2012 at 12:12 am
I’m glad for you.
Would you consider teaching him that humans aren’t immune to affecting the environment that they live in?
Uniformityville_horror on May 20, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Yes, So sad we lost the dinosaur, huh?
Eco systems change all the time for various and copious reasons. Once I was with a soil conservation service guy (highly educated fella) in Chin Le, Arizona, just touring the Res with him, and most specifically Canyon De Chelly and Canyon Del Muerto. We went into several inique microenvironments in the canyons where he says the place has remain untouched by humans as much as is possible. He said that any change in the weather could change how this microenvironment fuctions, any wild animal coming to make a home there, or die there will change the flow of this microenvironment.
I LOVE those canyons! My soul flies when I sit on their rims, the belly of my soul feeling the currents that come up from the canyon, allowing me to soar and flow into the vast canyon space.
We generally took a small M&M of peyote when we did these tours, a series of tours with him that lasted for years. So let me tell you, the canyon does indeed communicate with me at a specific level when I have expanded awareness, but I cannot translate it here or anywhere. But that peyote was well-applied for the situations we were in.
I think that “damaged” is a totally misleading statement. “Change” is far better to use. Or some form of “evolve”. But then if “damaged” wasn’t used, then the strongly political mindset would not be maintained.
Just keep watching the science and being discerning. Follow the science. I am NOT getting my mindset from the GOP. And you know that. I am at the research sites and apps multiple times a day. I am just looking at the science, … of just about all things that interest me.
BTW, on google earth and on one of my earthquake apps, I routinely explore the pacific atolls. I vow to visit one of them someday. I LOVE the atolls out there.
The planet will save itself, I think.
She will just roll over, scratch her human infestation’s itch. Then man will be scrambling to save himself. Just like he has before multiple times. The worlds begin and end depending on Vishnu’s sleep state, right?
Uniformityville_horror on May 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I will teach him that. Sadly, he isn’t the outdoors person that his dad and I are. Not yet anyway. But he does love going to the farm in W. Kansas. He loves it out there, where the closest neighbor, where bobcats, mice, owls and deer are the only real residents of the farm these days.
Now it smells of oil, since our county back there has become oil-rich. Very sad. Yet makes a secure living for my mother. Massive cognitive dissonance for me.
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