I can’t believe I have to say this

IMO, the Democratic party is not perfect. I don’t defend everything Barack Obama does. I don’t defend everything that ANY member of the Democratic party does.

Again, IMO, the only perfect candidate is me. IMO.

But the GOP is perfectly evil.

Do away with SS? Check.

Do away with medicare? Check.

Take our retirement accounts? Check.

Take our pensions? Check.

Declare this to be a “christian” nation, in defiance of the constitution and everything that’s holy? Check.

Deny voting rights? Check.

Gawd, the list goes on. Do I really have to?

Fuck the environment? Check.

A woman’s right to a legal medical procedure? Check.

Tax cuts for people making more than $250K/year matter more than middle class tax cuts? Check.

It just goes on and on. The GOP is in full-on assault mode against “us”.

The Democratic party isn’t perfect. Give me a green party or progressive party who can defeat the GOP candidate (who is ALWAYS well-funded by some rich fucker). I’ll vote for them.

But I’ll ALWAYS vote to defeat the GOP.

And I ALWAYS vote.

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  1. iconoclast_555’s avatar

    Extraordinary rendition?

    Google it


    Of course, Bubba also practiced rendition… Waitaminute, he’s a “dem” too.

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  2. Oralloy’s avatar

    If an innocent person was tortured or wrongfully detained, the federal government should be required to pay them a lot of money.

    However we do have the right to seize enemy fighters, and to detain them as POWs until the end of the war.

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    “If an innocent person was tortured or wrongfully detained, the federal government should be required to pay them a lot of money.”

    Probably true, not as if we’d ever actually do such a thing.

    “However we do have the right to seize enemy fighters, and to detain them as POWs until the end of the war.”

    We’re at war with a country now? That’s news to me.

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    We’re at war with a country now? That’s news to me.

    We’re at war with al-Qaida, and with all who ally with al-Qa’ida.

    Though if Obama keeps causing trouble in Ukraine we might well end up at war with Russia.

    I confess to being at a bit of a loss why this Black Sea naval base is worth having a nuclear war over.

    I can understand Georgia. There’s oil in the Caspian and we need to protect the Georgian pipelines.

    But Ukraine? Why do we care if the Russians have a naval base there?

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    Uh, isn’t that like war against povery or war on drugs? What/who is Al Qaida?

    As for the Ukraine, complete agreement. Why are we supporting fascists and subverting democracy for the umpteenth time?

    I’ve been in the Ukraine. Most boring region I’ve visited outside the US mid-west. Fuck’em

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    Uh, isn’t that like war against povery or war on drugs?

    No. This is a war against an a specific enemy that is bent on attacking us.

    What/who is Al Qaida?


    Leader’s Deputy:

    Security Chief:

    Intelligence Chief:

    Explosives and Chemical Weapons Specialist:

    Why are we supporting fascists and subverting democracy for the umpteenth time?

    It seems to be an attempt to prevent the Russians from using a Ukrainian naval base.

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    Gore Vidal:

    “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt—until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties”

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    Now the current misadministration is defending the previous one:


    Christ, at this stage this is reminding me of the Nixon tapes.

    Whatever happened to transparency? And as far as the idea of a “2”-party system is concerned, why not kick the “other” party when it’s down?

    Or has the intelligence community instituted a coup d’etat and the potus is a hostage?

    WTF is going on?

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    This is particularly disturbing:

    “For its part, the CIA has accused Senate staffers of conducting potential criminal activity, and the Department of Justice is conducting an investigation into all the claims.”

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    Food for thought, if you’re willing to think: http://www.salon.com/2014/03/23/the_hope_diet_would_the_tea_party_fall_for_this/?source=newsletter

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    The GOP and the DNC are indeed different.

    One has a pachyderm as a symbol, the other a jackass.

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    “If voting changed anything, it would be illegal.”
    On a wall in San Francisco

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    Perhaps this is a happy interpretation between Timbuk and me?


    “…If you’re a cynic, you’d say that voting is indeed a waste of time, and that every single politician who actually has a chance of getting elected nationally is bought and paid for by the ruling class. If, on the other hand, you’re an idealist, or someone who consumes cable news daily, you might assign great importance to the act of voting, and see only differences between the two parties. Realistically, it’s somewhere in between, though Marx’s words are much more accurate today than some would care to admit.

    First, the differences (and there are many): In todays hyper-partisan political landscape, it does seem much of the time like Democrats and Republicans are living on separate planets. The most obvious divergences come with social issues, like gay marriage, abortion, civil rights, birth control, race relations, etc. These differences have been center stage as of late, with the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage and racial tensions that have followed the tragic massacre in Charleston. These are crucial differences, and anyone who claims that voting is a completely futile act should think about what America would be like if it was run by the likes of Mike Huckabee or Sen.Ted Cruz (R-TX). Other major issues include the environment, which Republicans seem care about as much as BP does, gun control, immigration, and economic inequality (although, barring certain progressives, Democrats do not seem much more eager than Republicans to truly address this issue).

    These are not superficial differences — they matter for many people, and cannot be ignored. However, debate over these issues is also a part of a spectacle that helps many people look past the fact that our government no longer serves the interests of citizens, but the interests of corporations, billionaires, and American hegemony. An American politician who criticizes the American war machine and its imperialist tendencies is a rare breed indeed. Even Bernie Sanders has some hawkish qualities, especially concerning Israel; but to his credit, he voted against the Iraq War and has been outspoken opponent of Middle Eastern imperialism.

    However, the overwhelming majority of people in Washington, both Democrats and Republicans, are proud supporters of global capitalism and the imperialism that goes along with it. And why wouldn’t they be? Money and American politics is like space and time, they just go together. Today, if a brave soul attempts to get elected without courting big corporations or wealthy individuals, there is almost zero chance that they will get elected — and that is exactly how the ruling capitalist class wants it to be. Sure, there are important differences between many Democrats and Republicans; but ultimately, they operate within the same rigged system….”

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