Just For The Record

Don’t take my silence on drone strikes on Americans as any kind of acquiescence, in any meaning of the word.

Please spare me the arguments about “sure, it’s OK if it’s a ‘D’ in the White House, but what if our POTUS was an ‘R’?”

It’s NOT OK if it’s a “D” in the White House.

If extra-judicial killing of Americans is legal, WE need to take steps to ensure it’s not OK in the future. I think, more than the faux outrage of libtards who wanted to ban guns the day BEFORE Sandy Hook, this issue can unite “the right” and “the left” in getting something done. But, beyond writing/calling my congresscritters, I’m not real sure what to do.

The POTUS, OR ONE OF HIS SUBORDINATES, can “legally” order a drone strike on an American citizen, without judicial review? Tie in the odious DiFi’s bill to ensure the police outgun us (even though it will never pass) and we’ve crossed the line into “sheeple” who will willingly live under someone else’s (read that as corporate) rule.

That’s a really sad commentary on what WE will tolerate, if we don’t rise up and demand an end to it.

If nothing else, write and call your congresscritter.

Tho, it would be better if we all met on the National Mall and said “HELL NO!” to living in a police state, where cops and the military can carry guns we can’t carry, and the POTUS can order us killed because our protest is deemed (by some flunky in the CIA) “a threat to America”.

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  1. Timbuk3’s avatar

    Does anyone have any ideas about how WE can put an end to this, beyond the wailing and gnashing of teeth over how awful Obama is?

    I’m still glad he’s POTUS and not rMoney.

    But I want to take this “legal” power away from ALL POTUS’s (by making sure it’s illegal by statute).

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    1. Uniformityville_horror’s avatar

      I deleted this. oso. You cannot move this to trash anymore.

      But so I don’t start a new post, here is what I think:

      I think an industrious person should create drones that the public can buy to spy on our government, our intelligence agencies, our Congressmen, and our president. If they can’t be transparent, let’s get someone else to transparent them, some drone-owning person or group that is solely out there to watch the watchers.

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  2. jo6pac’s avatar

    Im not to sure but was it you that said he was your potus and you trusted him to make the right call on killing so called bad guys with drone? Why the change?

    Yes you can write/call whom ever but remember the defense industry is in 75% of congressional areas and ever state. They can make congresscritter cry uncle. The local police have been slowly turned into the military and I’m sure a lot of them are former military.Oh have you read were military units have been practicing/scaring people around cities in Amerika. Then there that little group call mother-land-security doing road blocks on freeways and hang out at bus/train stations. Then again we can’t afford to put people to work or provide free medical.

    When you say(it would be better if we all met on the National Mall and said “HELL NO!”) yes it wouldbut it would have to be 300 million plus because the elite aren’t going to give up and to many sheeple think they might make into the elite but are really just going to join me in the world of serfdom.

    Yes 3 bad guys and 2 good guys trying to make a difference in their nation burnt to a crisp. Making friends aren’t we.
    http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2013/02/how-impressive-surgical-strikes-by-us.html

    Here’s a long break down of rommy/0bumer care and this guy isn’t some light weight. We the little people pay even you can’t because when die the irs will settle with your estate and they are first allows.
    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/02/03/obamacare-a-primer/

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    1. Timbuk3’s avatar

      I can’t believe that I’ve ever said “he’s my POTUS and I trust him” about any POTUS. I’m probably more known for saying “I’ve never voted for a perfect candidate and I doubt I ever will”, or “IMO, the only perfect candidate is me”.

      Odds are you can’t name a politician I agree with 100% of the time, so it’s part of the deal that you look for those who are most likely to defend the things you find most important.

      I did, at one time, take the position that we used to have “wanted, dead or alive” posters for criminals and this is sorta like that, but I rescinded that position months ago.

      What changed is that I realized that just because we USED to do things wrong, it’s not justification to KEEP doing them wrong.

      I’d be OK with this if a judge, or better yet an en banc panel of judges, was required to rule on whether or not “bad guys” who are also American citizens can be targeted with drones. But having one guy and his subordinates decide, behind closed doors, is un-American is scary.

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  3. jo6pac’s avatar

    is scary

    Yes it is and sad what this nation has become.

    Did you make it home before the storm?

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    1. Uniformityville_horror’s avatar

      But the reality is that WE The People create these situations.
      Imagine better. Imagine the drones failing. Imagine the drones backfiring as more and more citizens begin to use them to spy on the DOD and the White House.

      Just like cell phone cameras, and cameras that do video and cameras that are in everyone’s purse and pocket are spying on law enforcement.

      One thing I would really, really like to see is paparazzis who specialize in photographing congressmen and government officials, including those in the CIA, on their off-time. And a online magazine that is published solely for these photos.

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    2. Timbuk3’s avatar

      I did make it home before the storm, although as it turns out it all went north of both locations.

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  4. Uniformityville_horror’s avatar

    You rock!
    It has been a concern of mine!

    Beware: A President who justifies secret drone killings of Americans can justify anything

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038969_drone_strikes_President_rule_of_law.html#ixzz2KQPA31yP

    We can all, as a total aspect of We The People, as one unit, stop paying those April fifteenth output that go to pay for the spying that is being done against us. I have called my Congressmen about the fiscal cliff and told them that I do not believe that We The People should PAY for the spying that they are doing on We The People, including the NSA stuff. The output of tax dollars are paying for ever-increasing costs of surveillance of US citizens. I called them all and told them this. Gave my name. They know who I am.
    Have you called your Congressmen on this? DamnIt, take a stand. Put your name on it. Demand change.

    We The People = We The Power

    Meanwhile, Kansas has odd, odd January weather. Rainfall, rather than snow. I figure spring will be one month earlier, just like last year.

    https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/02/faa-releases-new-list-drone-authorizations-your-local-law-enforcement-agency-map
    February 7, 2013 | By Jennifer Lynch
    FAA Releases New Drone List—Is Your Town on the Map?

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        WTF do they need one. I have in Sacto, Fresno, NASA in the Bay Area of Callif. I’m sure there more coming and I read somewhere that the FAA was ask to approve 25,000 of them.

        •Barona Band of Mission Indians Risk Management Office (near San Diego, California)

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        1. Uniformityville_horror’s avatar

          In Kansas, those are the two locations where there are suspected al Qaeda camps. One near Manhattan. And Terry Nichols, OK city bombist, came from Herrington, KS.

          It should be noted too that I had an Iranian roommate in Manhattan in 1981. She hung out with the soccer team which was almost totally manned by middle eastern fellas, some from Iran, some from Iraq, some from S America. Since I went to the soccer parties with the roommmate, I was told by one soccer-playing Iraqi that GHWBush hauled in about 400 Iraqis, and put them in college towns. That was how he got there, to K-State, Bush Sr. brought him in. My roommmate’s boyfriend, also Iranian, was being “watched” by the CIA. My roommate herself was a daughter of a governor under the Shaw, one of the governors that they did not kill in the uprising. She is how I came to know persian art. She is how I came to know hash. She is how I came to love feta cheese.

          Meanbwhile, I knew these people, lived with this woman, while my sister was on Reagan’s speech-writing staff, and during the Iranian hostage crisis.

          You are not going to find this on any media website. This is just my own accumulation of knowledge as I flow thru the world.

          There is also a AQ cell near Kansas City. During the OK City bombing investigation, I was at Harbor Lights, a bar here, when I came across some “soldiers”, perhaps special ops. I found out that they were in Lawrence on some investigations, I suspect “Special OPs” people by the looks of them. I talked with one of them for quite some time, most of the night. He was indeed data-collecting. He was handsome, great body (oh yummy!), and I wasn’t that bad to look at. I left alone, as if my custom.

          Also wanted to talk about Netflix original production, House Of Cards. I have seen three chapters now. Very impressive. Reminds me very much of a modern Macbeth. I like spacey.

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      2. jo6pac’s avatar

        Marcy taking the below apart she’s a lawyer and owns the site there are more lawyers that comment/ writer here. They’re also sport fans

        http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/02/09/article-ii-or-aumf-a-high-level-official-aka-john-brennan-says-cia-can-kill-you/#more-33170

        Here’s the document the 16 page one

        https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/602342-draft-white-paper.html

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      That’s good I didn’t follow the news of where it was going until later today.

      Yes while worried about those with the power killing people by remote control here’s the next thing that’s coming our way. If you need any big ticket items and can pay cash buy them now. Stock up.

      And so it begins.

      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-08/venezuela-devalues-currency-from-33-to-6-30-bolivars-per-dollar.html

      http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/02/currency-wars-often-lead-to-trade-wars-which-in-turn-can-devolve-into-hot-wars.html#disqus_thread

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      1. Uniformityville_horror’s avatar

        Amendment to original post.
        I was wrong.
        http://www.ipsnews.net/news/regional-categories/latin-america-and-caribbean/
        Keep the dollar.
        —————————
        Are you admitting that I was right when I said we should invest in Latin American currency?
        I think Argentine currency might be the best investment, since Ven. has already devalued the dollar, and Brazil’s president-tress is facing some economic turbulence issues. Latin Americas economic collapse has already happened.
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        Now this stuff is off-topic: I thought you, Jo, might find it interesting:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FlkLlBjNMMw#!
        February warning, seems to me. If it hasn’t already happened.

        I just watched 2012, bought the BlueRay, and it is really interesting that the basic premise of the science in the movie is based on the earth’s core heating up. Well just look at this, a bookmark I just relocated: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22059-growth-of-earths-core-may-hint-at-magnetic-reversal.html

        Then there is this:
        http://phys.org/news/2011-10-plate-tectonics-reversals-earth-magnetic.html, also note the related stories on this page.

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